alone. :-) //One's rather short life span probably contributes to our
fuzzy comprehension along with a lack of maturity/independence when
important choices are made. Hopefully, the "list" will be balanced in
review- to see our errors as well as our successes. Also- some "also
serve who only stand and wait"- John Milton.
On Feb 16, 10:42 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This was great discussion, spot on ! Let me add some on morals...
>
> Morals are an individual function that serves " the " social
> responsibility.
> But the individual can be moral, have the reason to be moral,
> and continue to be moral, ONLY to the extent he knows
> AND REMEMBERS the " cause and effect " facts,
> their value for himself and humanity... the truths.
>
> Because, time separates the cause and effect. Most science... physics,
> chemistry, biology, medicine... the knowledge of it is gleaned from
> what is happening before our eyes, or over days and months, even
> years. But that isn't all, is in fact horribly deficient, too little
> to enable us to make a choice, act or institute.
>
> It takes decades and centuries for the most crucial effects to emerge,
> in very inscrutable but inevitable ways.
>
> So, science keeps contradicting, revising, restating, re-defining... a
> hailed panacea is declared harmful 20 - 30 years later... all manner
> of very scientific "logic" is then publicised, gets instituted, purely
> to raise money and concentrate power, establish business networks that
> involve millions of people and spew economic funda that determine
> State policies. Today, over US $400 billion is consumed in drugs that
> are psychotropic ! The weapons industry in the West - the massive
> massive motha fkg industry - is a case in point, of State and
> Economic priorities set on such logic supported by very what reputed
> strategic research institutions and highly honourable think tanks.
>
> I am making a case for good, old memory, dear. Since morality is an
> individual function, though a social imperative, it is memory of our
> knowledge of " Being ", of cause and effect, of the knowledge we have
> of ourself, of our behaviour, thought and attitude, discovered
> knowledge about things and beings, of what is undesirable and should
> be avoided or prevented, of what is desirable and should valued,
> cultivated and persist with.
>
> If we knew and remembered history, in all its details going back to
> individual function, we'd know what is best for us and humanity.
>
> But do not write history in that manner... we report date and events,
> and gross happenings and developments, never the individuals' act,
> intent and choices, their reasons, logic and perceptions, purposes and
> ambitions, and prevailing social thought and beliefs going back to
> individuals' function... ambitions, manipulations and beliefs,
>
> The more we know and remember, the more valid will be our knowledge,
> in truth, of value and values that hold on longer time scale.
>
> On Feb 17, 8:19 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I read this plus comments. I didn't understand all of the economics.
> > What about those people who are hiding money at home? What if the
> > currency is changed- didn't the US demand that silver certificates and
> > gold coins be turned in? Anyway- you are right and I was harsh and
> > hasty.// Doesn't our government own our debt ultimately rather than
> > the banks via laws and regulations. As far as I know Wall Street and
> > the banks are operating within granted privileges- taxes are set by
> > law- even the Congress could benefit from insider trades till their
> > recent bill. Anyway, the Greek carpenter's story was sad and bleak. I
> > hope Greece defaults- I think- but does not rejoin the new Ottoman
> > Empire.//I wonder what I will do when the US collapses? Probably
> > hitchhike to one of my sons...//Yes- it does boil down to values and
> > morals- our modern world is psychotic.
>
> > On Feb 16, 5:14 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'd say this is similar to what I found on my visit to Piraeus -http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/02/austerity-policy-destroying-gr...
> > > - and the US is now issuing more debt than it takes in as taxes.
> > > We can reorganise and should do this by taking down the rich and the
> > > debt they 'own'.
>
> > > On Feb 16, 11:08 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Would it were so rigsy. A fairly standard review of what's been
> > > > happening in finance can be found here -http://www.cfainstitute.org/learning/products/publications/rf/Pages/r...
> > > > - from the investment managers' professional body. Many ordinary
> > > > people who put the toil in, including Greeks working two jobs, are
> > > > discovering what they thought their hard work has earned is worth
> > > > nothing. These are people who thought they were being self-
> > > > sufficient. I suspect we have been living off the backs of others too
> > > > - but believe this current situation may be linked to the recognition
> > > > the real work that needs doing is under-valued in the crazed libidinal
> > > > economics. People who put the work time in are finding themselves no
> > > > better off than the shirkers and some of this is down to work having
> > > > gone neurotic.
> > > > What I saw in Greece was people I know as friends working two jobs and
> > > > more not able to meet mortgage payments - just as in Eastern Europe in
> > > > transition. Here I find people who have just had private pension
> > > > payments halved - in Greece this has hit the public sector and will
> > > > here. Obama is tapping US pension funds. Austerity can work for a
> > > > home - and I had some great times when broke - but it's bullshit
> > > > ideology for the gullible as an economic answer.
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > How do you know what my life has been? I learned a great deal during
> > > > > lean times- in fact, I would say it was my most creative period. And I
> > > > > disagree about the banks- although there are certainly some wolves in
> > > > > life's woods. It's like saying a grocery store or restaurant is to
> > > > > blame for obesity or digestive ills. Individuals and nations lived
> > > > > beyond their means and disregarded contracts, etc. Since we have been
> > > > > nursed on entitlements, many thought they would be bailed so now comes
> > > > > the whining and tantrums.
>
> > > > > On Feb 15, 9:38 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > There is nothing left to tighten... Put the same astiaity measures intact
> > > > > > in your life rigsy... see how it feels.. The majority of these prolems are
> > > > > > brought on by the banksters..
>
> > > > > > If Greece fails you will be effected also..
> > > > > > On Feb 15, 2012 3:16 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Stop destroying your cities, Greeks! Tighten your belts! Pay the
> > > > > > > Piper!
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 15, 3:01 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I see the Banksters desperately trying to destroy Greece.. I have Greek
> > > > > > > > friends there and I am wondering about Ideas of how to help them once the
> > > > > > > > Banksters manage to succeed on their mission.
>
> > > > > > > > Please add your thoughts as it is an up coming problem for me.
> > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > > |_D Allan
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