bed flanked by two cats rigsy. It's very disappointing to discover
most people don't care to try much to recognise reality. I have my
distractions and most of what goes on in the world created by others
can be ignored. The lack of fellowship on what might produce a
material world of less 'urgency' is hard for me. An old crusty port
helps tonight!
On Feb 19, 5:23 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry you feel this way. Maybe it is just the moment/mood. You
> certainly work hard looking for positive solutions for humanity so
> your heart must be in the right place. Trust your heart.
>
> On Feb 18, 3:59 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > And the temptation is to give up to some form of bliss or other
> > potential deception. Much of what is supposed to satisfy us as
> > purpose in life turns out not very fulfilling - marriage, family and
> > so on have limitations; we are alienated from work.
>
> > On Feb 18, 9:08 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > And in the sense above I'm always struck that any being involved in
> > > the design of us in nature does not have to take on omniscience This
> > > and the Dawkins' stop on why questions seem cop-outs to me.
>
> > > On Feb 18, 8:38 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm struck that nature can do all kinds of stuff we can't. We can
> > > > trace our history in nature to a point when we don't exist other than
> > > > (possibly) an unfolding design. We have little clue on purpose other
> > > > than in weak forms operationally defined or told in stories involving
> > > > omnipotent blue and white rabbits, mediated by talking snakes and
> > > > salamanders hidden in hats. Gods figure large but we don't meet any
> > > > in demonstration. What speculation on purpose is possible on this?
> > > > One aspect that interests me is what reason would 'send us here'
> > > > without purpose information and yet an apparent built-in quest for it.
>
> > > > On Feb 16, 6:43 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Rigsy all believes can actually be stretched to paganism... depends on how
> > > > > you examine them.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Our ethical systems evolved from paganism. Maybe "evolved" is a
> > > > > > stretch.
>
> > > > > > On Feb 15, 4:59 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Maybe not to some,but one could argue that finding God is the ultimate
> > > > > > > moral act because one gives recognition and gratitude to the One who
> > > > > > > provided life, opportunity to experience the world and really
> > > > > > > everything else. I realize that people believe in God for so many
> > > > > > > reasons, but ultimately one has to think it is the truth in order to
> > > > > > > embrace it.
>
> > > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I appreciate Eman's perspective re the experience of God leading to
> > > > > > wanting
> > > > > > > > to make the world a better place. However
>
> > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that connection with "God" is not necessary to
> > > > > > live an
> > > > > > > > ethical life. For me whether there is a God in the sense of
>
> > > > > > > > a supreme Goodness, Truth, originator of divine wisdom, all powerful
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > isn't all that important. The fact that there is continuing
>
> > > > > > > > suffering, apparent injustices on a world wide scale, fundamental
> > > > > > > > unfairness, random good and or bad luck - limited control over one's
>
> > > > > > > > destiny and a multitude of additional realistic limitations plus the
> > > > > > fact
> > > > > > > > of human creativity means to me that each of us has a core choice
>
> > > > > > > > to live an artistic ethical life in promoting that which is
> > > > > > constructive, or
> > > > > > > > cave into cynicism and a lazy what the hell attitude of everything is
>
> > > > > > > > equal so in the end nothing really matters very much.
>
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:54 am
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
>
> > > > > > > > There is room for variation and idiosyncrasies as to the meaning of
> > > > > > > > life for each of us, each within his/her angle of the world and inner
> > > > > > > > dynamics. I do believe, however, that a general view of the purpose of
> > > > > > > > life can be twofold: one aesthetic, and one ethical. Thoughtfully
> > > > > > > > savoring life with all it has to offer to the best of our abilities
> > > > > > > > and marveling in the magnificence and uniqueness of our existence can
> > > > > > > > be an end in itself. Ethically, we need to try to make the world
> > > > > > > > better with than without us, each within their means. To connect both
> > > > > > > > ethics and aesthetics, human beings are endowed with such incessant
> > > > > > > > thirst for knowledge and pursuit of truths of their existence and the
> > > > > > > > world they inhabit. I think that under that bridge between marveling
> > > > > > > > in the wonders of life, and making a positive imprint on it, lie much
> > > > > > > > of the sciences, arts , and even religions that human beings have
> > > > > > > > created, developed and pursued since the dawns of their existence as a
> > > > > > > > species. Being a Muslim, I will add that to me pesonally, finding God
> > > > > > > > through His magnificent and complex creation is a purpose that I place
> > > > > > > > within the first category , which had to do with experiencing life,
> > > > > > > > but once God is found, it leads up to the second layer, which is
> > > > > > > > trying to make the world a better place, or at least preserve what is
> > > > > > > > good about it.
>
> > > > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> After 75 years of experience on this earth plane here is my
> > > > > > conclusion as
> > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > >> the meaning of -at least - my life:
>
> > > > > > > >> Living from day to day confronts us with a never ending array of
> > > > > > problems
> > > > > > > >> ranging from practical issues such as
>
> > > > > > > >> what is on the top of my to do list - to philosophical such as why am
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > >> bothering to get up at all - to urgent: I have to do something
>
> > > > > > > >> about the pain in my tooth-
>
> > > > > > > >> Since I am preoccupied with one or more problems to be solved and it
> > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > >> me satisfaction to master each and all of them --it follows
>
> > > > > > > >> that the good life must be concerned with becoming an expert problem
> > > > > > > >> solver.
>
> > > > > > > >> Adopting this ethic reinforces my interests in science (particularly
> > > > > > > >> scientific method); philosophical theory and discourse (particularly
>
> > > > > > > >> Spinoza, the Pragmatists, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle); continuing
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> examine the implications of viewing the nature of meaningful
>
> > > > > > > >> coincidences from two alternative perspectives (Jung: mystical
> > > > > > magical
> > > > > > > >> transcendent collective unconscious and G Williams
>
> > > > > > > >> naturalistic, personal unconscious, by products of the idiosyncratic
> > > > > > > >> creative process); depth psychology notably Freudian
>
> > > > > > > >> classical psychoanalysis, British Object Relations theorists
> > > > > > especially
> > > > > > > >> Guntrip, Winnicott etc); continued learning about the nature of
>
> > > > > > > >> psychodynamics; continuing learning about the nature of the self and
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > > >> develops (particularly Spitz, The First Year of Life) - Freiberg:
>
> > > > > > > >> The Magic Years; and adopting the seminal incite that the key to
> > > > > > > >> emotional
> > > > > > > >> success is adopting and practicing the discovery that the
>
> > > > > > > >> best attitude to coping with the daily experiences of anxiety,
> > > > > > > >> depression,
> > > > > > > >> frustration and stress (tension) is an attitude of bring them on
>
> > > > > > > >> and I will tolerate them the best I can which is essentially the
> > > > > > > >> concluding
> > > > > > > >> message of Molly Bloom in Joyce's must read classic:
>
> > > > > > > >> Ulysses - that after a life time of experience much of it traumatic
> > > > > > she
> > > > > > > >> sums
> > > > > > > >> up with yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes, again yes. Top that ethic
>
> > > > > > > >> if you can.
>
> > > > > > > >> Gibbs A. Williams gibbsonline. com
>
> > > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >> From: pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >> To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> > > > > > > >> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:53 pm
> > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
>
> > > > > > > >> Do you mean ... to always do the right thing?....
>
> > > > > > > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:37 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> I understood that Erica meant it was our cognitive abilities which had
> > > > > > > >> made
> > > > > > > >> us aware of better streamlining ourselves.
>
> > > > > > > >> I hope this opens up for a more mortal and less moral interpretation,
> > > > > > yes.
>
> > > > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:08 AM, pol.science kid <
> > > > > > r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> yes... thats such an interesting thing... happiness is a choice....
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > >> we
> > > > > > > >> dont quite know about it do we.. nor do mot of us care....
> > > > > > > >> sometimes i hate happiness ... but thats really not possible is it...
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > >> only exposes the essentially morbid mind...
>
> > > > > > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Erica Moreau <ericamor...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> I thought happiness was the purpose [not that people can recognize
> > > > > > > >> that happiness is not a feeling, but rather a choice...]
>
> > > > > > > >> On Feb 5, 10:55 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> Life has no purpose except evolution ; a person
>
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