and that we can establish what needs doing. There is no shortage of
resources in this sense, only the libidinal strain of some to hog
them. There is a return of this desire in wanting a fairer, more
rational world that needs to be avoided. The idea has to be about
more than control.
On Feb 19, 2:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Happiness is just another thing, and belief, but the romanticized
> ideal and divine this or that if they are not simply ours, I mean
> sourced/found within, the most we could hope for is to get drugged in
> the play of emulation. So lets wax on, spit polish our brilliant ego
> because that shiny car makes up for the void that is our existence.
>
> I am thinking when we are ready to say to hell with the world that
> promises free delivery with purchase of meaning and happiness should
> be about the right time for us to take seriously what work is required
> to create it. Our world thrives on human waste, people as a means to
> an end of various systems (Soylent Green). Some say there was and
> always will be a majority of emulators striving to reconcile ignorance
> when faced with the novel or excellent, if you read the cult tripe it
> is all so lofty but direct speech has always conveyed someone just
> doing their own thing despite convention or the status quo. Just being
> real, imagine that a novel innovation! The void mentioned is left I
> guess by removing the real, and replaced by taking part in everything
> as creative beings seeking conduits for our will to power. There is no
> shortage of neglect, hunger, pain or misery in the world- what meaning
> would be greater than our common destiny toward excellence as a
> species? (dangerous words, I know) I think you could apply the libido
> to this Neil, with the primitive mind just use guidance and
> redirection, you get limitless output. But to choose the ends of that
> output INTENTIONALLY, that is real Gold, transubstantiation of
> 'biblical' proportions.
>
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> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And the temptation is to give up to some form of bliss or other
> > potential deception. Much of what is supposed to satisfy us as
> > purpose in life turns out not very fulfilling - marriage, family and
> > so on have limitations; we are alienated from work.
>
> > On Feb 18, 9:08 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> And in the sense above I'm always struck that any being involved in
> >> the design of us in nature does not have to take on omniscience This
> >> and the Dawkins' stop on why questions seem cop-outs to me.
>
> >> On Feb 18, 8:38 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I'm struck that nature can do all kinds of stuff we can't. We can
> >> > trace our history in nature to a point when we don't exist other than
> >> > (possibly) an unfolding design. We have little clue on purpose other
> >> > than in weak forms operationally defined or told in stories involving
> >> > omnipotent blue and white rabbits, mediated by talking snakes and
> >> > salamanders hidden in hats. Gods figure large but we don't meet any
> >> > in demonstration. What speculation on purpose is possible on this?
> >> > One aspect that interests me is what reason would 'send us here'
> >> > without purpose information and yet an apparent built-in quest for it.
>
> >> > On Feb 16, 6:43 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Rigsy all believes can actually be stretched to paganism... depends on how
> >> > > you examine them.
> >> > > Allan
>
> >> > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Our ethical systems evolved from paganism. Maybe "evolved" is a
> >> > > > stretch.
>
> >> > > > On Feb 15, 4:59 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > Maybe not to some,but one could argue that finding God is the ultimate
> >> > > > > moral act because one gives recognition and gratitude to the One who
> >> > > > > provided life, opportunity to experience the world and really
> >> > > > > everything else. I realize that people believe in God for so many
> >> > > > > reasons, but ultimately one has to think it is the truth in order to
> >> > > > > embrace it.
>
> >> > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > I appreciate Eman's perspective re the experience of God leading to
> >> > > > wanting
> >> > > > > > to make the world a better place. However
>
> >> > > > > > I am of the opinion that connection with "God" is not necessary to
> >> > > > live an
> >> > > > > > ethical life. For me whether there is a God in the sense of
>
> >> > > > > > a supreme Goodness, Truth, originator of divine wisdom, all powerful
> >> > > > etc.
> >> > > > > > isn't all that important. The fact that there is continuing
>
> >> > > > > > suffering, apparent injustices on a world wide scale, fundamental
> >> > > > > > unfairness, random good and or bad luck - limited control over one's
>
> >> > > > > > destiny and a multitude of additional realistic limitations plus the
> >> > > > fact
> >> > > > > > of human creativity means to me that each of us has a core choice
>
> >> > > > > > to live an artistic ethical life in promoting that which is
> >> > > > constructive, or
> >> > > > > > cave into cynicism and a lazy what the hell attitude of everything is
>
> >> > > > > > equal so in the end nothing really matters very much.
>
> >> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > > From: Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> >> > > > > > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:54 am
> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
>
> >> > > > > > There is room for variation and idiosyncrasies as to the meaning of
> >> > > > > > life for each of us, each within his/her angle of the world and inner
> >> > > > > > dynamics. I do believe, however, that a general view of the purpose of
> >> > > > > > life can be twofold: one aesthetic, and one ethical. Thoughtfully
> >> > > > > > savoring life with all it has to offer to the best of our abilities
> >> > > > > > and marveling in the magnificence and uniqueness of our existence can
> >> > > > > > be an end in itself. Ethically, we need to try to make the world
> >> > > > > > better with than without us, each within their means. To connect both
> >> > > > > > ethics and aesthetics, human beings are endowed with such incessant
> >> > > > > > thirst for knowledge and pursuit of truths of their existence and the
> >> > > > > > world they inhabit. I think that under that bridge between marveling
> >> > > > > > in the wonders of life, and making a positive imprint on it, lie much
> >> > > > > > of the sciences, arts , and even religions that human beings have
> >> > > > > > created, developed and pursued since the dawns of their existence as a
> >> > > > > > species. Being a Muslim, I will add that to me pesonally, finding God
> >> > > > > > through His magnificent and complex creation is a purpose that I place
> >> > > > > > within the first category , which had to do with experiencing life,
> >> > > > > > but once God is found, it leads up to the second layer, which is
> >> > > > > > trying to make the world a better place, or at least preserve what is
> >> > > > > > good about it.
>
> >> > > > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> After 75 years of experience on this earth plane here is my
> >> > > > conclusion as
> >> > > > > >> to
> >> > > > > >> the meaning of -at least - my life:
>
> >> > > > > >> Living from day to day confronts us with a never ending array of
> >> > > > problems
> >> > > > > >> ranging from practical issues such as
>
> >> > > > > >> what is on the top of my to do list - to philosophical such as why am
> >> > > > I
> >> > > > > >> bothering to get up at all - to urgent: I have to do something
>
> >> > > > > >> about the pain in my tooth-
>
> >> > > > > >> Since I am preoccupied with one or more problems to be solved and it
> >> > > > gives
> >> > > > > >> me satisfaction to master each and all of them --it follows
>
> >> > > > > >> that the good life must be concerned with becoming an expert problem
> >> > > > > >> solver.
>
> >> > > > > >> Adopting this ethic reinforces my interests in science (particularly
> >> > > > > >> scientific method); philosophical theory and discourse (particularly
>
> >> > > > > >> Spinoza, the Pragmatists, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle); continuing
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > >> examine the implications of viewing the nature of meaningful
>
> >> > > > > >> coincidences from two alternative perspectives (Jung: mystical
> >> > > > magical
> >> > > > > >> transcendent collective unconscious and G Williams
>
> >> > > > > >> naturalistic, personal unconscious, by products of the idiosyncratic
> >> > > > > >> creative process); depth psychology notably Freudian
>
> >> > > > > >> classical psychoanalysis, British Object Relations theorists
> >> > > > especially
> >> > > > > >> Guntrip, Winnicott etc); continued learning about the nature of
>
> >> > > > > >> psychodynamics; continuing learning about the nature of the self and
> >> > > > how
> >> > > > > >> it
> >> > > > > >> develops (particularly Spitz, The First Year of Life) - Freiberg:
>
> >> > > > > >> The Magic Years; and adopting the seminal incite that the key to
> >> > > > > >> emotional
> >> > > > > >> success is adopting and practicing the discovery that the
>
> >> > > > > >> best attitude to coping with the daily experiences of anxiety,
> >> > > > > >> depression,
> >> > > > > >> frustration and stress (tension) is an attitude of bring them on
>
> >> > > > > >> and I will tolerate them the best I can which is essentially the
> >> > > > > >> concluding
> >> > > > > >> message of Molly Bloom in Joyce's must read classic:
>
> >> > > > > >> Ulysses - that after a life time of experience much of it traumatic
> >> > > > she
> >> > > > > >> sums
> >> > > > > >> up with yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes, again yes. Top that ethic
>
> >> > > > > >> if you can.
>
> >> > > > > >> Gibbs A. Williams gibbsonline. com
>
> >> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > >> From: pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > >> To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> >> > > > > >> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:53 pm
> >> > > > > >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
>
> >> > > > > >> Do you mean ... to always do the right thing?....
>
> >> > > > > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:37 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
>
> ...
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