Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose

Neil God can and does interact with everyone on a daily basis, for some it can be different than what most people experience. I know it is not fair, but I  am not God or the Entirity either depending how you see him.
Allan

On Feb 18, 2012 9:38 PM, "archytas" <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm struck that nature can do all kinds of stuff we can't.  We can
trace our history in nature to a point when we don't exist other than
(possibly) an unfolding design.  We have little clue on  purpose other
than in weak forms operationally defined or told in stories involving
omnipotent blue and white rabbits, mediated by talking snakes and
salamanders hidden in hats.   Gods figure large but we don't meet any
in demonstration.  What speculation on purpose is possible on this?
One aspect that interests me is what reason would 'send us here'
without purpose information and yet an apparent built-in quest for it.

On Feb 16, 6:43 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rigsy all believes can actually be stretched to paganism...  depends on how
> you examine them.
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> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Our ethical systems evolved from paganism. Maybe "evolved" is a
> > stretch.
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> > On Feb 15, 4:59 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Maybe not to some,but one could argue that finding God is the ultimate
> > > moral act because one gives recognition and gratitude to the One who
> > > provided life, opportunity to experience the world and really
> > > everything else. I realize that people believe in God for so many
> > > reasons, but ultimately one has to think it is the truth in order to
> > > embrace it.
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> > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > > I appreciate Eman's perspective re the experience of God leading to
> > wanting
> > > > to make the world a better place. However
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> > > > I am of the opinion that connection with "God" is not necessary to
> > live an
> > > > ethical life. For me whether there is a God in the sense of
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> > > > a supreme Goodness, Truth, originator of divine wisdom, all powerful
> > etc.
> > > > isn't all that important. The fact that there is continuing
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> > > >  suffering, apparent injustices on a world wide scale, fundamental
> > > > unfairness, random good and or bad luck - limited control over one's
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> > > >  destiny and a multitude of additional realistic limitations plus the
> > fact
> > > > of human creativity means to me that each of us has a core choice
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> > > > to live an artistic ethical life in promoting that which is
> > constructive, or
> > > > cave into cynicism and a lazy what the hell attitude of everything is
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> > > > equal so in the end nothing really matters very much.
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com>
> > > > To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:54 am
> > > > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
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> > > > There is room for variation and idiosyncrasies as to the meaning of
> > > > life for each of us, each within his/her angle of the world and inner
> > > > dynamics. I do believe, however, that a general view of the purpose of
> > > > life can be twofold: one aesthetic, and one ethical. Thoughtfully
> > > > savoring life with all it has to offer to the best of our abilities
> > > > and marveling in the magnificence and uniqueness of our existence can
> > > > be an end in itself. Ethically, we need to try to make the world
> > > > better with than without us, each within their means. To connect both
> > > > ethics and aesthetics, human beings are endowed with such incessant
> > > > thirst for knowledge and pursuit of truths of their existence and the
> > > > world they inhabit. I think that under that bridge between marveling
> > > > in the wonders of life, and making a positive imprint on it, lie much
> > > > of the sciences, arts , and even religions that human beings have
> > > > created, developed and pursued since the dawns of their existence as a
> > > > species. Being a Muslim, I will add that to me pesonally, finding God
> > > > through His magnificent and complex creation is a purpose that I place
> > > > within the first category , which had to do with experiencing life,
> > > > but once God is found, it leads up to the second layer, which is
> > > > trying to make the world a better place, or at least preserve what is
> > > > good about it.
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> > > > On 2/15/12, gwilliamsny11 <gwilliamsn...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > >> After 75 years of experience on this earth plane here is my
> > conclusion as
> > > >> to
> > > >> the meaning of -at least - my life:
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> > > >> Living from day to day confronts us with a never ending array of
> > problems
> > > >> ranging from practical issues such as
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> > > >> what is on the top of my to do list - to philosophical such as why am
> > I
> > > >> bothering to get up at all - to urgent: I have to do something
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> > > >> about the pain in my tooth-
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> > > >> Since I am preoccupied with one or more problems to be solved and it
> > gives
> > > >> me satisfaction to master each and all of them --it follows
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> > > >>  that the good life must be concerned with becoming an expert problem
> > > >> solver.
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> > > >> Adopting this ethic reinforces my interests in science (particularly
> > > >> scientific method); philosophical theory and discourse (particularly
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> > > >> Spinoza, the Pragmatists, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle); continuing
> > to
> > > >> examine the implications of viewing the nature of meaningful
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> > > >>  coincidences from two alternative perspectives (Jung: mystical
> > magical
> > > >> transcendent collective unconscious and G Williams
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> > > >>  naturalistic, personal unconscious, by products of the idiosyncratic
> > > >> creative process); depth psychology notably Freudian
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> > > >>  classical psychoanalysis, British Object Relations theorists
> > especially
> > > >> Guntrip, Winnicott etc); continued learning about the nature of
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> > > >> psychodynamics; continuing learning about the nature of the self and
> > how
> > > >> it
> > > >> develops (particularly Spitz, The First Year of Life) - Freiberg:
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> > > >>  The Magic Years; and adopting the seminal incite that the key to
> > > >> emotional
> > > >> success is adopting and practicing the discovery that the
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> > > >>  best attitude to coping with the daily experiences of anxiety,
> > > >> depression,
> > > >> frustration and stress (tension) is an attitude of bring them on
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> > > >>  and I will tolerate them the best I can which is essentially the
> > > >> concluding
> > > >> message of Molly Bloom in Joyce's must read classic:
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> > > >> Ulysses - that after a life time of experience much of it traumatic
> > she
> > > >> sums
> > > >> up with yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes, again yes. Top that ethic
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> > > >>  if you can.
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> > > >> Gibbs A. Williams   gibbsonline. com
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> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > > >> To: minds-eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:53 pm
> > > >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life's Purpose
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> > > >> Do you mean ... to always do the right thing?....
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> > > >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:37 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > >> I understood that Erica meant it was our cognitive abilities which had
> > > >> made
> > > >> us aware of better streamlining ourselves.
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> > > >> I hope this opens up for a more mortal and less moral interpretation,
> > yes.
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> > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:08 AM, pol.science kid <
> > r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
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> > > >> yes... thats such an interesting thing... happiness is a choice....
> >  but
> > > >> we
> > > >> dont quite know about it do we.. nor do mot of us care....
> > > >> sometimes i hate happiness ... but thats really not possible is it...
> > it
> > > >> only exposes the essentially morbid mind...
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> > > >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Erica Moreau <ericamor...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
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> > > >> I thought happiness was the purpose [not that people can recognize
> > > >> that happiness is not a feeling, but rather a choice...]
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> > > >> On Feb 5, 10:55 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> Life has no purpose except evolution ; a person has to search his own
> > > >>> purpose in life and live for it. Some live for the attainment of
> > wealth
> > > >>> and
> > > >>> fame , some for the freedom of their country , removal of corruption
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> > > >>> some
> > > >>> for the attainment of wisdom and some for the happiness of their
> > > >>> children.
> > > >>> You have to set your own priorities.
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> > > >> --
> > > >> EverComing
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.