choice. Lofty thoughts won't pay the bills.
On Apr 17, 3:16 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with you that the basic problem is this disconnect between what is
> being taught and the real deal,so to say. Well, i think it is necessary to
> place the subject in some context and and not teach it in isolation. And
> for kids the teachers need to do that first. See, ill give you a first hand
> experience. Like i said before, i feel my school learning has been zero.
> But , i left math and science in my higher classes and opted for
> humanities. i felt i could do better, in humanities. It was fine..only as
> my reading and perception grows and the ability to place things in a larger
> context. Sometimes i read some thing related to science and i think.. i
> never saw it like that. And even wish i had not left science, which brings
> me to another point, they should make for better interdisciplinary options
> in higher classes. Which they dont in my country.i dont know about your
> country. But to continue what i was saying. Somehow.this learning is
> alienating(school level). we need a living engagement.Of course these
> divisions are for our convenience and we should know that.Speaking of what
> should be taught , i feel in schools there is a need to place religion in a
> sociological context. talk about it scientifically. My country is filled
> with superstitious and religious people.But to see orhtodoxy in someone my
> age is a revolting thought to me. I have a lot of respect for
> mathematicians . since my math isnt great. I used to think theyre out of
> this world. Well i know this top level gold medal math/physics grad
> student. Who is superstitious, communal and holds odd notions. Now ive
> tried to reason with this person, who holds these strange communal notions
> about muslims. No use. And i think to myself.. dude..where does all your
> reasoning power go.Actually i know many such people. Also one more thing i
> feel is that competition is not the answer. I think this will re-enforce
> this already rote learning , merit obsession. Focus needs to go in framing
> these methods. What these people think is that you can only shift between
> easy and difficult. Thats giving no credit to the rationalizing ability of
> the student. To get better results you need to frame better questions.
> Putting across good questions is top priority. One needs to know what to
> you want to question , that will orient the identification of merit. not
> the simple fact based questions we are fed. Well in our education industry
> the checking of answer scripts is corruption based. Many sheets go
> unchecked and are marked randomly by undertrained teachers. This is also
> true for university level. I can go on and on. But ill stop here.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics) and
> > current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these base
> > courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools used to teach
> > something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World Economics and
> > Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed down
> > school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We should be
> > teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We need more
> > competition and classes that actually challange our kids to attain
> > excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive these days.
> > It's a crying shame and it's why the U.S. education system is in such
> > decline.
>
> > I missed mentioning sports but this is also very important. Competitive
> > sports is a metaphor for life. "Winning isn't everything; it's the only
> > thing."
>
> > dj
>
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Absolutely...
>
> >> On Apr 17, 3:06 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I think that critical thinking, negotiation/argumentation,
> >> > organization, and information research would be good classes.
>
> >> > On Apr 16, 3:03 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Science... inclusive of Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry n Biology.
>
> >> > > On Apr 17, 12:01 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > " ... what to teach the younger generation..."
>
> >> > > > History, in truth. Science. Literature.
> >> > > > Art. Sports.
> >> > > > Current Political and Socio-Economic Issues.
> >> > > > & Computers... www.
>
> >> > > > On Apr 16, 9:42 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Umm.. I dont know if Aezen is now a part of the group or not but
> >> ill still
> >> > > > > reply to him... even we in our country face a similar problem, of
> >> this
> >> > > > > robotic teaching... senseless rote learning. But i am really
> >> dissappointed
> >> > > > > with our syllabus change our school board did.. i think in trying
> >> to make
> >> > > > > stuff easier.. they are giving the people trash..i mean it.. i can
> >> > > > > confidently say.. I did not learn anything in school .. it was
> >> only after
> >> > > > > going to college that i began to think about stuff.. and it came
> >> like a
> >> > > > > bullet train.. and i was thinking.. what crap were they feeding
> >> me in
> >> > > > > school. The thing is.. not making the curriculum easy.. but
> >> giving time to
> >> > > > > the essential things...I cant think of alternative ways...I think
> >> it'll
> >> > > > > always be controversial ..what to teach the younger generation..
> >> I think..
> >> > > > > what worked for me in college was that i got a lot of my own
> >> time..
>
> >> > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM, pol.science kid <
> >> r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > Hey the link worked for me...
>
> >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> I'm not sure aezen is functional Molly.
>
> >> > > > > >> On Apr 16, 12:50 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > This link is not functional.
>
> >> > > > > >> > On Apr 15, 8:55 am, Æzen <ae...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> > > You may be interested in reading the article from which I
> >> have taken
> >> > > > > >> the
> >> > > > > >> > > following excerpt:
>
> >> > > > > >> > > "[...] The truly educated become conscious. They become
> >> self-aware.
> >> > > > > >> They do
> >> > > > > >> > > not lie to themselves. They do not pretend that fraud is
> >> moral or that
> >> > > > > >> > > corporate greed is good. They do not claim that the
> >> demands of the
> >> > > > > >> > > marketplace can morally justify the hunger of children or
> >> denial of
> >> > > > > >> medical
> >> > > > > >> > > care to the sick. They do not throw 6 million families
> >> from their
> >> > > > > >> homes as
> >> > > > > >> > > the cost of doing business. Thought is a dialogue with
> >> one's inner
> >> > > > > >> self.
> >> > > > > >> > > Those who think ask questions, questions those in
> >> authority do not
> >> > > > > >> want
> >> > > > > >> > > asked. They remember who we are, where we come from and
> >> where we
> >> > > > > >> should go.
> >> > > > > >> > > They remain eternally skeptical and distrustful of power.
> >> And they
> >> > > > > >> know
> >> > > > > >> > > that this moral independence is the only protection from
> >> the radical
> >> > > > > >> evil
> >> > > > > >> > > that results from collective unconsciousness. The capacity
> >> to think
> >> > > > > >> is the
> >> > > > > >> > > only bulwark against any centralized authority that seeks
> >> to impose
> >> > > > > >> > > mindless obedience. There is a huge difference, as Socrates
> >> > > > > >> understood,
> >> > > > > >> > > between teaching people what to think and teaching them
> >> how to think.
> >> > > > > >> Those
> >> > > > > >> > > who are endowed with a moral conscience refuse to commit
> >> crimes, even
> >> > > > > >> those
> >> > > > > >> > > sanctioned by the corporate state, because they do not in
> >> the end
> >> > > > > >> want to
> >> > > > > >> > > live with criminals—themselves.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > Advertisement
> >> > > > > >> > > "It is better to be at odds with the whole world than,
> >> being one, to
> >> > > > > >> be at
> >> > > > > >> > > odds with myself," Socrates said. [...]"
>
> >>www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_the_united_states_is_destroying_her_...
>
> >> > > > > >> > > On Thursday, 12 April 2012 15:43:55 UTC+1, pol.science kid
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > Recently, i was part of some filed work in a village ...
> >> we were
> >> > > > > >> > > > looking into primary education there.... well.. while
> >> doing the
> >> > > > > >> > > > report.. i thought i couldnt really understand
> >> education.. clearly
> >> > > > > >> > > > what works for the city kids wouldnt work for those in
> >> the rural
> >> > > > > >> > > > side..most of them do think theyre wasting their
> >> time...teachers
> >> > > > > >> hate
> >> > > > > >> > > > the kids kids hate the teachers..everyone is bitching...
> >> the
> >> > > > > >> situation
> >> > > > > >> > > > is pretty bad.. those who can do get out.. actually
> >> primary
> >> > > > > >> education
> >> > > > > >> > > > in my country is pretty beat up... now in know most of
> >> you are from
> >> > > > > >> > > > the 'West'.. Sounds weird when i say it like that..
> >> we're frequently
> >> > > > > >> > > > told that primary education in the west is quite o.k.
> >> .... in fact
> >> > > > > >> > > > good.. What do you guys think?.. Also... how do you
> >> define
> >> > > > > >> > > > education..i almost hate the term by now.. get to hear
> >> it so much
> >> > > > > >> with
> >> > > > > >> > > > people having no idea of what they mean.... what do you
> >> think..?
>
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