as grooming the best hunters and warriors and evolved into public
entertainment- the Colosseum, the tournaments, etc. It does nuture
team spirit which is helpful in business, warfare and social
loyalties- but it also stresses winning and defeat for the losers. It
does have rules/ codes of conduct- but so do street gangs and
criminals, politics. Our USA sports have become very Hollywood-like
with celebrity status and huge salaries- very beyond the reach of the
average person. Many love sports as entertainment and a sense of
identity as a fan. Maybe it is almost like a religion.
As for this bully business, I think it reflects the breakdown of
social graces which have always been rather fragile anyway.
On Apr 18, 6:31 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I raised two boys who both enjoyed sports and one played football in
> college. There are many levels of learning involved, including
> thinking skills of predicting the opponents plays and adapting to what
> is going on during the play within the rules of the game. Learning to
> strengthen and condition the body for maximum performance is something
> that seems to carry beyond the age of sports participation. Teamwork
> and respect for ones team and other teams, for me, was probably the
> most important thing they learned and in fact, they taught me a few
> things about it while they played.
>
> That is not to say that the things you point out don't occur, Allan.
> I think bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do, as I
> watched kids who were bullied at home grow up to do the same. The
> real crime is that we know people in our communities that bully their
> kids and are powerless to do anything about it, other than the
> opportune comment to the parent which often brings unintended results
> on the child. What we tolerate around us in terms of human behavior
> often creates the things we later condemn. that tolerance is
> sometimes our own blind spot, sometimes social conditioning and shared
> moral code.
>
> On Apr 18, 2:46 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Education needs more financial support not less.. and is a severe
> > problem.. most of which comes from the community failing to meet the needs
> > of educational support and their lack of willingness to pay the cost they
> > could start with by making pay equal that of top executives..
> > to encourage the best and brightest to go into that profession ,, starting
> > wages should be at say $50,000.oo to $60,000.oo
> > you will start getting the top minds which is desperately needed..
>
> > ***** lol ***** response ****
>
> > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery.?.? well Actually I think it
> > does just the opposite it increases it. The jocks become school approved
> > and blessed adolescent thugs oops I mean bullies.. school honors
> > their activities as are blessed by the school including bulling,, commonly
> > known as the blind eye..
>
> > I do know people that have benefited from sports programst,, like a college
> > education but those people seem to have been forced to use the hated
> > sports as the way to get the education they needed.. and what about the
> > children seriously injured doing these activities and then covered up these
> > problems so they are never hear of again... you don't want to disturb
> > their prize program for encouraging adolescent thuggery.
> > Allan
>
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Among the 'elite' competition is high, yes. It's the soft bigotry of low
> > > expectations that worries me more then anything else. Both from some
> > > teachers and particularly from parents. A streamlined education system can
> > > fire the former but we can't do piss-all about the latter. How do you make
> > > a parent care? Or have time to care more? Parenting is hard work and if you
> > > have a struggling child handicapped by mental or physical disorders to deal
> > > with then it makes it even worse. Different children have different needs
> > > and should be taught in unique tailor made circumstances. What works for
> > > one child might not work as well for another. It's why I've always favored
> > > the Montessori method for primary schooling.
>
> > > Also I believe it's important to separate the criminals from those willing
> > > and able to learn. By ninth grade if a child hasn't learned it's not ok to
> > > steal the only way to teach them is to cart his or her little hiney off to
> > > "alternative" school. Some kids need the structure and discipline of this
> > > kind of action to learn. In the right environment with the right
> > > encouragement some of these kids could make something of themselves
> > > eventually and they should be given the chance WITHOUT disrupting the
> > > learning of more well behaved children.
>
> > > Let's not forget, Allan, that violent competitive sports can be a
> > > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery. Just sayin'.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >> On 4/16/12, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics) and
> > >> > current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these base
> > >> > courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools used to
> > >> teach
> > >> > something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World Economics and
> > >> > Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed down
> > >> > school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We
> > >> should be
> > >> > teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We need more
> > >> > competition and classes that actually challange our kids to attain
> > >> > excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive these
> > >> days.
> > >> > It's a crying shame and it's why the U.S. education system is in such
> > >> > decline.
>
> > >> I am not as experienced as others here in education but I have the
> > >> impression that the failings we see in education are echoes of society
> > >> not the other way around. The gov't dole requires kids attend (or
> > >> else), it is an overworked and underfunded system that keeps kids off
> > >> the streets and out of the labor market decreasing prison populations
> > >> and fueling multiple economies. If we look at a cultural cross-section
> > >> going from inner-city, urban, suburban, rural with varying
> > >> socio-economic conditions, quality of life, and on to exposure and
> > >> familiarity with social resources I would say competition is quite
> > >> present across the board. What we have is a society composed of
> > >> psychologically maladapted humans frantically scrambling about mostly
> > >> aimlessly in a post traumatic stupor caused by spending a lifetime in
> > >> environments that evolved in every way but those that matter most to
> > >> human beings. One could consider it highly successful in that regard.
> > >> But that's an opinion (I think), one that doesn't exactly reach
> > >> solutions but can contribute some emphasis.
>
> > >> > I missed mentioning sports but this is also very important. Competitive
> > >> > sports is a metaphor for life. "Winning isn't everything; it's the only
> > >> > thing."
>
> > >> I am skeptical of the character traits required to defeat opponents,
> > >> as in war "all is fair".. but I agree on learning to face challenge
> > >> with an attitude of expectation and consider sports on the
> > >> mid-spectrum of character building skills. Success can go too far in
> > >> both directions, whether hopping on the highs of success leaving a
> > >> wake of failures or becoming despotic and building nepotistic
> > >> oligopolies in life- both are negative parasitic behaviors easily
> > >> justified and blindingly so. You are on the money though regarding
> > >> attitude I think, but it would take a lot of hard social
> > >> reconstruction- otherwise it just sounds like dog eat dog, and that is
> > >> what we have now (albeit a more pacified version). Damn I'm longwinded
> > >> tonight: I like the 'Ideal', but I've rarely run into anyone with that
> > >> attitude who can take serious questions into account.
>
> > >> We should still have sports either way for the reasons you put
> > >> forward. :) I'm a little bit of Semper Fi plus a huge bit of Semper
> > >> Vigilance.
>
> > >> > dj
>
> > >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Absolutely...
>
> > >> >> On Apr 17, 3:06 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > I think that critical thinking, negotiation/argumentation,
> > >> >> > organization, and information research would be good classes.
>
> > >> >> > On Apr 16, 3:03 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > Science... inclusive of Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry n Biology.
>
> > >> >> > > On Apr 17, 12:01 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > > " ... what to teach the younger generation..."
>
> > >> >> > > > History, in truth. Science. Literature.
> > >> >> > > > Art. Sports.
> > >> >> > > > Current Political and Socio-Economic Issues.
> > >> >> > > > & Computers... www.
>
> > >> >> > > > On Apr 16, 9:42 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > > > Umm.. I dont know if Aezen is now a part of the group or not
> > >> but
> > >> >> ill still
> > >> >> > > > > reply to him... even we in our country face a similar problem,
> > >> of
> > >> >> this
> > >> >> > > > > robotic teaching... senseless rote learning. But i am really
> > >> >> dissappointed
> > >> >> > > > > with our syllabus change our school board did.. i think in
> > >> trying
> > >> >> to make
> > >> >> > > > > stuff easier.. they are giving the people trash..i mean it.. i
> > >> can
> > >> >> > > > > confidently say.. I did not learn anything in school .. it was
> > >> >> only after
> > >> >> > > > > going to college that i began to think about stuff.. and it
> > >> came
> > >> >> like a
> > >> >> > > > > bullet train.. and i was thinking.. what crap were they
> > >> feeding me
> > >> >> in
> > >> >> > > > > school. The thing is.. not making the curriculum easy.. but
> > >> giving
> > >> >> time to
> > >> >> > > > > the essential things...I cant think of alternative ways...I
> > >> think
> > >> >> it'll
> > >> >> > > > > always be controversial ..what to teach the younger
> > >> generation.. I
> > >> >> think..
> > >> >> > > > > what worked for me in college was that i got a lot of my own
> > >> >> > > > > time..
>
> > >> >> > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM, pol.science kid <
> > >> >> r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > > > > Hey the link worked for me...
>
> > >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
>
> > >> >> wrote:
>
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