Re: Mind's Eye Some Education

Was Libya a site for torture, I wonder? Maybe that's why it was bombed
to pieces- to destroy the evidence.

On Apr 18, 1:56 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry Don these 'dogs'don't qualify as their heads are not that of dogs
> that are shown in the ancient manuscripts..   they definitely showed men
> with heads that look like those of dogs..  hence the name   as for fishmen
>  one was caught and then to government approved methods of torture to bring
> out the truth..  wait a minute according to the news these methods have not
> changed..  maybe that is what make man civilized is the ability to torture
> and approve of these actions.
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> gabby humanity is till a work in progress,, wonder what ever happened to
> >> the dogmen or the fishmen,, then there is the airmen.  well you never hear
> >> of them now.. the oddity was they were recorded not myth.. twas interesting
> >>  Allan
>
> >> Well, I can answer one of those.....
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDBy5aKFG2k
>
> > dj
>
> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:51 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> In a dynamic system that is identifying/defining its static elements a
> >>> medival mind is something negative whereas the mid-evil mind emphasizes its
> >>> work-in-progress aspect. In experiencing oneself in a static system one is
> >>> not given that freedom of interpretation.
>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I watched a program  on the mid evil mind and how they view things..
> >>>>  one of the things that was looked at education and part of it involved
> >>>> islam ,,  I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i
> >>>> found interesting is their interest in the
> >>>> ancient philosophers and mathematics as well as other sciences,, but they
> >>>> did not give much detail on that end..
>
> >>>> My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its interest
> >>>> science and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems all that
> >>>> islam It seems there is no interest in harmony and
> >>>> co-existence is interested in is murder and forcing people to
> >>>> live their set of rules which is contrary to western law.
> >>>>  Allan
>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> The education system has become a means of sorting out the population
> >>>>> and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that eases the
> >>>>> selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was probably
> >>>>> tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief and
> >>>>> practice.
>
> >>>>> On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > I'm struck that universal education has failed us.  I'd go for
> >>>>> > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and much more
> >>>>> > related to practice (not necessarily work).  Current university
> >>>>> > programmes should be available on television and available free with
> >>>>> > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics work in the
> >>>>> > community and social and sports events are also civic rather than
> >>>>> > separated as now.  Education is currently a government scam and an
> >>>>> > export scam.
>
> >>>>> > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If one liners
> >>>>> paid
> >>>>> > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in the
> >>>>> unpacking so
> >>>>> > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam  ;-)
>
> >>>>> > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet", and I could
> >>>>> re-pin
> >>>>> > > > on Pinterest ...
>
> >>>>> > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
>
> >>>>> > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and structure and it
> >>>>> seems to
> >>>>> > > >> me you are both talking about a qualitative/individual aspect to
> >>>>> > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all else follows
> >>>>> from
> >>>>> > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to society-
> >>>>> every last
> >>>>> > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is logistics
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
>
> >>>>> > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or western
> >>>>> anything.
>
> >>>>> > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not leading to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me perspective
> >>>>> to world
> >>>>> > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know what the thing
> >>>>> or matter
> >>>>> > > >> > before me means, to me.
>
> >>>>> > > >> > That should leave all the bubbles with you. And the yeast...
>
> >>>>> > > >> > On Apr 14, 8:49 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > > >> >> It looks you took Ash's mixing pot image too literal, Vam.
> >>>>> You don't
> >>>>> > > >> >> bring
> >>>>> > > >> >> order into a mixing pot by sequencing bubble terms - add
> >>>>> some yeast if
> >>>>> > > >> >> you
> >>>>> > > >> >> want to create bubbles and get your new order!
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> If wisdom is what you wish to attain, you will not be able
> >>>>> to achieve
> >>>>> > > >> >> your
> >>>>> > > >> >> goal without having taken good care of your critical eye,
> >>>>> for it is the
> >>>>> > > >> >> root that prevents you from being blinded.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> Education does not deliver knowledge or facts - Google or my
> >>>>> newspaper
> >>>>> > > >> >> does
> >>>>> > > >> >> that. In a wider sense they also educate me, but more in the
> >>>>> sense of I
> >>>>> > > >> >> am
> >>>>> > > >> >> using their services with the intention to get access to
> >>>>> information
> >>>>> > > >> >> and
> >>>>> > > >> >> not in the sense that I wish to get formed in their image.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> I see a big difference in eastern and western understanding
> >>>>> of what
> >>>>> > > >> >> education means.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> > > >> >> > Education, leading to some wisdom in which our critical
> >>>>> view may take
> >>>>> > > >> >> > root, takes time... yes, Knowledge >>> Attitude >>>
> >>>>> Application >>>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > Skills involves a process of incubation, and Time.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > Now, the time required for specific knowledge-to-skill
> >>>>> acquisition
> >>>>> > > >> >> > process to complete differs with different people, for a
> >>>>> variety of
> >>>>> > > >> >> > reasons and factors involved.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > So, the society - education industry - only promises to
> >>>>> deliver the
> >>>>> > > >> >> > knowledge, leaving our any committment to orienting the
> >>>>> student's
> >>>>> > > >> >> > attitude, willing to apply and learn from it, and its
> >>>>> maturation into
> >>>>> > > >> >> > an integrated perspective and life skills.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > The education just delivers the knowledge, the " facts,"
> >>>>> to meet a
> >>>>> > > >> >> > schedule. What a stated " fact " means, in association
> >>>>> with others
> >>>>> > > >> >> > stated and unstated, is upto the student to discover.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > It may happen tommorow, take a lifetime, or may never
> >>>>> emerge !
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > On Apr 14, 3:01 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > I think education is a mixing pot. Remove the social
> >>>>> factors and I
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > think US public education is good, here in the states we
> >>>>> believe in
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > solving social problems by expanding the prison system.
> >>>>> o.0 The
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > solutions I keep hearing from people in the past year
> >>>>> are bizarre,
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > vigilante militia with public executions sort of stuff.
> >>>>> It makes me
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > wonder if it's a meme I'm missing or something. Anyway..
> >>>>> back to
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > topic.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > Who has the attitude that it is a waste of time: kids,
> >>>>> parents,
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > teachers? I imagine modernizing a largely rural or
> >>>>> isolated
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > population
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > would have some resistance, I'd say give it a few
> >>>>> generations to
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > get
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > going and put a lot of effort in recycling their
> >>>>> traditional
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > community
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > resources. If it is a boilerplate political maneuver
> >>>>> there is still
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > social gain but I would worry about increasing
> >>>>> resentment and
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > culture
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > clash. The roots of education predate and transcend
> >>>>> institutional
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > bureaucracy and the primary factors revolve around
> >>>>> family and
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > community, a progressive surge could propel innovative
> >>>>> strategies
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > but
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > I think it also could decimate a culture or weaken it's
> >>>>> ability to
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > adapt and outpace growing pains/challenges.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > This is an interesting topic pol, more observations
> >>>>> please.
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > On 4/12/12, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > Recently, i was part of some filed work in a village
> >>>>> ... we were
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > looking into primary education there.... well.. while
> >>>>> doing the
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > report.. i thought i couldnt really understand
> >>>>> education..
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > clearly
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > what works for the city kids wouldnt work for those in
> >>>>> the rural
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > side..most of them do think theyre wasting their
> >>>>> time...teachers
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > hate
> >>>>> > > >> >> > > > the kids kids hate the teachers..everyone is
> >>>>> bitching... the
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