On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
The glamour we give to celebrity may be another thread entirely. I
suppose, getting back to poly si kid's point, that sports is just one
choice, like music or art or shop or theater or student government
that kids choose to participate in to learn social skills. Giving the
choice of elective is important, I think. The Henry Ford model for
education along with the governmental standards that attempt to make
sure schools are living up to their mandates of educating children may
well be out dated, and we may be better off evolving into something
more tailored to individual ability. With millions of kids to
educate, that design seems daunting to develop. I have seen a few
attempts backfire in my day, and we end up with the same old same
old. Yet we are all here, talking somewhat intelligently, making our
way in the world. I suppose the system deserves credit for teaching
children and making it a priority. Not all world cultures do. In the
end, life is what we make of it. Do our stories tell us, or do we
tell our stories?
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 19, 3:03 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do see the value to sports,, but sports in the schools absolutely not,
> sports can teach a a lot of things but they need to be outside of the
> schools and in clubs like it is over here.. the major reason in school it
> promotes elitism with the jocks running around in their jackets and
> measuring their importance as to what they are allowed to get away
> with strutting around like a bunch of cocks.. with more emphasis on sports
> than education. this goes right on to the universities.. look at the
> schools that promote their sports and the justifications for these
> activities..
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> Sports need to be out side of schools,,,, believe me I see the amount of
> sports activities here in Holland and I am amazed. Clubs own their
> equipment and facilities not supported by taxes.. then children can take
> part in what they want,, and more importantly the taxpayer does not have
> to fund these activities.. and the pro football teams (soccer) are having
> no problem finding top players.
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> Education needs the best financing available and these funds should not be
> wasted on sports. and school under no conditions should be rated on their
> sport teams.. and that includes universities.. schools should be rated on
> their ability to provide an education,
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> Education will turn economies around not sports...
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> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:58 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> There is a lot of things you don't want to address if you want to keep up
> >> the theorem "bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do". But
> >> then we've learned to take it functionally sporty, haven't we?
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> >> Molly has a point Gabby. It's not the wrestling or football or the ever
> > popular 'dodge ball' that make the bully although I must admit these
> > games(especially dodge ball) attract the sadist in us all. Is there a
> > greater feeling of power then flipping some other dude on his ass and then
> > sitting on him for 3 seconds? I think not...unless it's creaming some dude
> > in the kisser with a 90 mile an hour big red rubber ball. Hell yes. (I'm
> > kidding!)
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> > Molly's point about bullies getting bullied at home also rings true with
> > me. Bullies are mostly very unhappy not well adjusted people. Perhaps,
> > maybe just maybe, if some of these abused kids can get some self respect
> > playing a sport their attitude will improve. Let me add that I see a
> > difference between hazing and bullying. The former is a long standing
> > tradition that helps mold new members into the fold if done with restraint.
> > It can also weed out the less hardy individuals that might be more suited
> > to, say, the chess club instead of a team sport. The latter is simply to
> > torture the weak for fun and no other reason.
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> > I will agree that a better ALLOCATION of funds is in order for our
> > educational system. The waste is mind boggling. We build palaces fortified
> > like fortresses and in some cases prisons and serve breakfast and lunch and
> > pay administrators enormous salaries to do what? Always ask for more money
> > next year. I say lets teach our kids in trailers. Or better yet rent some
> > of the empty shopping malls and/or business and retail space that's become
> > available since the Recession. Let's have the kids clean up and do routine
> > maintenance with the janitors in charge. It builds character. Wouldn't hurt
> > for the teachers to sweat right along with the students occasionally.
> > Builds rapport and mutual respect.
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> > Hey I'm just brain storming here but that's the kind of school I hope my
> > grandkids go to. If they do it will be a private school I can tell you
> > that.
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> > dj
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> >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> Sorry Molly I was one of the kids bullied.. i lived on a farm ..
> >>> didn't end till the leaded of the group took me on in PE wresling and I
> >>> got a hole of the back of his neck.. I milked by hand and my fingers had
> >>> a reasonable amount of strength he did not want to endure.. he promised to
> >>> leave me alone.. (he was a real ass hole,, ) I have no respect for
> >>> highschool sports.. and if parants want to suport it that is fine.,,
> >>> but it should not be supported by the taxpayer.. I see you did not
> >>> address the injured players..
> >>> Allan
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> ...> >>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>> I raised two boys who both enjoyed sports and one played football in
> >>>> college. There are many levels of learning involved, including
> >>>> thinking skills of predicting the opponents plays and adapting to what
> >>>> is going on during the play within the rules of the game. Learning to
> >>>> strengthen and condition the body for maximum performance is something
> >>>> that seems to carry beyond the age of sports participation. Teamwork
> >>>> and respect for ones team and other teams, for me, was probably the
> >>>> most important thing they learned and in fact, they taught me a few
> >>>> things about it while they played.
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> >>>> That is not to say that the things you point out don't occur, Allan.
> >>>> I think bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do, as I
> >>>> watched kids who were bullied at home grow up to do the same. The
> >>>> real crime is that we know people in our communities that bully their
> >>>> kids and are powerless to do anything about it, other than the
> >>>> opportune comment to the parent which often brings unintended results
> >>>> on the child. What we tolerate around us in terms of human behavior
> >>>> often creates the things we later condemn. that tolerance is
> >>>> sometimes our own blind spot, sometimes social conditioning and shared
> >>>> moral code.
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> >>>> On Apr 18, 2:46 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > Education needs more financial support not less.. and is a severe
> >>>> > problem.. most of which comes from the community failing to meet the
> >>>> needs
> >>>> > of educational support and their lack of willingness to pay the cost
> >>>> they
> >>>> > could start with by making pay equal that of top executives..
> >>>> > to encourage the best and brightest to go into that profession ,,
> >>>> starting
> >>>> > wages should be at say $50,000.oo to $60,000.oo
> >>>> > you will start getting the top minds which is desperately needed..
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> >>>> > ***** lol ***** response ****
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> >>>> > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery.?.? well Actually I think
> >>>> it
> >>>> > does just the opposite it increases it. The jocks become school
> >>>> approved
> >>>> > and blessed adolescent thugs oops I mean bullies.. school honors
> >>>> > their activities as are blessed by the school including bulling,,
> >>>> commonly
> >>>> > known as the blind eye..
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> >>>> > I do know people that have benefited from sports programst,, like a
> >>>> college
> >>>> > education but those people seem to have been forced to use the hated
> >>>> > sports as the way to get the education they needed.. and what about
> >>>> the
> >>>> > children seriously injured doing these activities and then covered up
> >>>> these
> >>>> > problems so they are never hear of again... you don't want to disturb
> >>>> > their prize program for encouraging adolescent thuggery.
> >>>> > Allan
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> >>>> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > > Among the 'elite' competition is high, yes. It's the soft bigotry
> >>>> of low
> >>>> > > expectations that worries me more then anything else. Both from some
> >>>> > > teachers and particularly from parents. A streamlined education
> >>>> system can
> >>>> > > fire the former but we can't do piss-all about the latter. How do
> >>>> you make
> >>>> > > a parent care? Or have time to care more? Parenting is hard work
> >>>> and if you
> >>>> > > have a struggling child handicapped by mental or physical disorders
> >>>> to deal
> >>>> > > with then it makes it even worse. Different children have different
> >>>> needs
> >>>> > > and should be taught in unique tailor made circumstances. What
> >>>> works for
> >>>> > > one child might not work as well for another. It's why I've always
> >>>> favored
> >>>> > > the Montessori method for primary schooling.
>
> >>>> > > Also I believe it's important to separate the criminals from those
> >>>> willing
> >>>> > > and able to learn. By ninth grade if a child hasn't learned it's
> >>>> not ok to
> >>>> > > steal the only way to teach them is to cart his or her little hiney
> >>>> off to
> >>>> > > "alternative" school. Some kids need the structure and discipline
> >>>> of this
> >>>> > > kind of action to learn. In the right environment with the right
> >>>> > > encouragement some of these kids could make something of themselves
> >>>> > > eventually and they should be given the chance WITHOUT disrupting
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > learning of more well behaved children.
>
> >>>> > > Let's not forget, Allan, that violent competitive sports can be a
> >>>> > > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery. Just sayin'.
>
> >>>> > > dj
>
> >>>> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com
> >>>> >wrote:
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> >>>> > >> On 4/16/12, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > >> > We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics)
> >>>> and
> >>>> > >> > current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these
> >>>> base
> >>>> > >> > courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools
> >>>> used to
> >>>> > >> teach
> >>>> > >> > something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World
> >>>> Economics and
> >>>> > >> > Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed
> >>>> down
> >>>> > >> > school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We
> >>>> > >> should be
> >>>> > >> > teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We
> >>>> need more
> >>>> > >> > competition and classes that actually challange our kids to
> >>>> attain
> >>>> > >> > excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive
> >>>> these
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