toys and games, etc.//I seen both sides and both have problems in the
short and long run.//A missing or deadbeat parent is also a problem.
On Apr 17, 6:46 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Among the 'elite' competition is high, yes. It's the soft bigotry of low
> expectations that worries me more then anything else. Both from some
> teachers and particularly from parents. A streamlined education system can
> fire the former but we can't do piss-all about the latter. How do you make
> a parent care? Or have time to care more? Parenting is hard work and if you
> have a struggling child handicapped by mental or physical disorders to deal
> with then it makes it even worse. Different children have different needs
> and should be taught in unique tailor made circumstances. What works for
> one child might not work as well for another. It's why I've always favored
> the Montessori method for primary schooling.
>
> Also I believe it's important to separate the criminals from those willing
> and able to learn. By ninth grade if a child hasn't learned it's not ok to
> steal the only way to teach them is to cart his or her little hiney off to
> "alternative" school. Some kids need the structure and discipline of this
> kind of action to learn. In the right environment with the right
> encouragement some of these kids could make something of themselves
> eventually and they should be given the chance WITHOUT disrupting the
> learning of more well behaved children.
>
> Let's not forget, Allan, that violent competitive sports can be a wonderful
> outlet for adolescent thuggery. Just sayin'.
>
> dj
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4/16/12, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics) and
> > > current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these base
> > > courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools used to
> > teach
> > > something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World Economics and
> > > Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed down
> > > school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We should
> > be
> > > teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We need more
> > > competition and classes that actually challange our kids to attain
> > > excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive these days.
> > > It's a crying shame and it's why the U.S. education system is in such
> > > decline.
>
> > I am not as experienced as others here in education but I have the
> > impression that the failings we see in education are echoes of society
> > not the other way around. The gov't dole requires kids attend (or
> > else), it is an overworked and underfunded system that keeps kids off
> > the streets and out of the labor market decreasing prison populations
> > and fueling multiple economies. If we look at a cultural cross-section
> > going from inner-city, urban, suburban, rural with varying
> > socio-economic conditions, quality of life, and on to exposure and
> > familiarity with social resources I would say competition is quite
> > present across the board. What we have is a society composed of
> > psychologically maladapted humans frantically scrambling about mostly
> > aimlessly in a post traumatic stupor caused by spending a lifetime in
> > environments that evolved in every way but those that matter most to
> > human beings. One could consider it highly successful in that regard.
> > But that's an opinion (I think), one that doesn't exactly reach
> > solutions but can contribute some emphasis.
>
> > > I missed mentioning sports but this is also very important. Competitive
> > > sports is a metaphor for life. "Winning isn't everything; it's the only
> > > thing."
>
> > I am skeptical of the character traits required to defeat opponents,
> > as in war "all is fair".. but I agree on learning to face challenge
> > with an attitude of expectation and consider sports on the
> > mid-spectrum of character building skills. Success can go too far in
> > both directions, whether hopping on the highs of success leaving a
> > wake of failures or becoming despotic and building nepotistic
> > oligopolies in life- both are negative parasitic behaviors easily
> > justified and blindingly so. You are on the money though regarding
> > attitude I think, but it would take a lot of hard social
> > reconstruction- otherwise it just sounds like dog eat dog, and that is
> > what we have now (albeit a more pacified version). Damn I'm longwinded
> > tonight: I like the 'Ideal', but I've rarely run into anyone with that
> > attitude who can take serious questions into account.
>
> > We should still have sports either way for the reasons you put
> > forward. :) I'm a little bit of Semper Fi plus a huge bit of Semper
> > Vigilance.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Absolutely...
>
> > >> On Apr 17, 3:06 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I think that critical thinking, negotiation/argumentation,
> > >> > organization, and information research would be good classes.
>
> > >> > On Apr 16, 3:03 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > Science... inclusive of Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry n Biology.
>
> > >> > > On Apr 17, 12:01 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > " ... what to teach the younger generation..."
>
> > >> > > > History, in truth. Science. Literature.
> > >> > > > Art. Sports.
> > >> > > > Current Political and Socio-Economic Issues.
> > >> > > > & Computers... www.
>
> > >> > > > On Apr 16, 9:42 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > Umm.. I dont know if Aezen is now a part of the group or not but
> > >> ill still
> > >> > > > > reply to him... even we in our country face a similar problem,
> > of
> > >> this
> > >> > > > > robotic teaching... senseless rote learning. But i am really
> > >> dissappointed
> > >> > > > > with our syllabus change our school board did.. i think in
> > trying
> > >> to make
> > >> > > > > stuff easier.. they are giving the people trash..i mean it.. i
> > can
> > >> > > > > confidently say.. I did not learn anything in school .. it was
> > >> only after
> > >> > > > > going to college that i began to think about stuff.. and it came
> > >> like a
> > >> > > > > bullet train.. and i was thinking.. what crap were they feeding
> > me
> > >> in
> > >> > > > > school. The thing is.. not making the curriculum easy.. but
> > giving
> > >> time to
> > >> > > > > the essential things...I cant think of alternative ways...I
> > think
> > >> it'll
> > >> > > > > always be controversial ..what to teach the younger
> > generation.. I
> > >> think..
> > >> > > > > what worked for me in college was that i got a lot of my own
> > >> > > > > time..
>
> > >> > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM, pol.science kid <
> > >> r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > Hey the link worked for me...
>
> > >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > >> I'm not sure aezen is functional Molly.
>
> > >> > > > > >> On Apr 16, 12:50 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > This link is not functional.
>
> > >> > > > > >> > On Apr 15, 8:55 am, Æzen <ae...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > >> > > You may be interested in reading the article from which I
> > >> have taken
> > >> > > > > >> the
> > >> > > > > >> > > following excerpt:
>
> > >> > > > > >> > > "[...] The truly educated become conscious. They become
> > >> self-aware.
> > >> > > > > >> They do
> > >> > > > > >> > > not lie to themselves. They do not pretend that fraud is
> > >> moral or that
> > >> > > > > >> > > corporate greed is good. They do not claim that the
> > demands
> > >> of the
> > >> > > > > >> > > marketplace can morally justify the hunger of children or
> > >> denial of
> > >> > > > > >> medical
> > >> > > > > >> > > care to the sick. They do not throw 6 million families
> > from
> > >> their
> > >> > > > > >> homes as
> > >> > > > > >> > > the cost of doing business. Thought is a dialogue with
> > >> one's inner
> > >> > > > > >> self.
> > >> > > > > >> > > Those who think ask questions, questions those in
> > authority
> > >> do not
> > >> > > > > >> want
> > >> > > > > >> > > asked. They remember who we are, where we come from and
> > >> where we
> > >> > > > > >> should go.
> > >> > > > > >> > > They remain eternally skeptical and distrustful of power.
> > >> And they
> > >> > > > > >> know
> > >> > > > > >> > > that this moral independence is the only protection from
> > >> the radical
> > >> > > > > >> evil
> > >> > > > > >> > > that results from collective unconsciousness. The
> > capacity
> > >> to think
> > >> > > > > >> is the
> > >> > > > > >> > > only bulwark against any centralized authority that seeks
> > >> to impose
> > >> > > > > >> > > mindless obedience. There is a huge difference, as
> > Socrates
> > >> > > > > >> understood,
> > >> > > > > >> > > between teaching people what to think and teaching them
> > how
> > >> to think.
> > >> > > > > >> Those
> > >> > > > > >> > > who are endowed with a moral conscience refuse to commit
> > >> crimes, even
> > >> > > > > >> those
> > >> > > > > >> > > sanctioned by the corporate state, because they do not in
> > >> the end
> > >> > > > > >> want to
> > >> > > > > >> > > live with criminals—themselves.
>
> > >> > > > > >> > > Advertisement
> > >> > > > > >> > > "It is better to be at odds with the whole world than,
> > >> being one, to
> > >> > > > > >> be at
> > >> > > > > >> > > odds with myself," Socrates said. [...]"
>
> > >>www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_the_united_states_is_destroying_her_.
> > ..
>
> > >> > > > > >> > > On Thursday, 12 April 2012 15:43:55 UTC+1, pol.science
> > kid
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > >> > > > Recently, i was part of some filed work in a village
> > ...
> > >> we were
> > >> > > > > >> > > > looking into primary education there.... well.. while
> > >> doing the
> > >> > > > > >> > > > report.. i thought i couldnt really understand
> > >> education.. clearly
> > >> > > > > >> > > > what works for the city kids wouldnt work for those in
> > >> the rural
> > >> > > > > >> > > > side..most of them do think theyre wasting their
>
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