chance of getting over the behavior because a good coach will not
tolerate the behavior and refer the athlete to social services. Seen
it happen effectively many times. The hero/victim/villain drama is
one that plays out when developmentally, we need to explore each role
and get beyond role playing in drama. The warrior learns he can
deal the fatal blow before he learns the compassion necessary to not
issue the fatal blow with a greater perspective. I do not mean to
excuse bullying. But to address the child bully without addressing
our societal acceptance/denial of child abuse to blame the child. The
issue is bigger and needs to be addressed on every level, including
that part in each of us that we play when we we find this in our
experience, or have a charge about past experience.
On Apr 18, 3:58 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a lot of things you don't want to address if you want to keep up
> the theorem "bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do". But then
> we've learned to take it functionally sporty, haven't we?
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> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry Molly I was one of the kids bullied.. i lived on a farm ..
> > didn't end till the leaded of the group took me on in PE wresling and I
> > got a hole of the back of his neck.. I milked by hand and my fingers had
> > a reasonable amount of strength he did not want to endure.. he promised to
> > leave me alone.. (he was a real ass hole,, ) I have no respect for
> > highschool sports.. and if parants want to suport it that is fine.,,
> > but it should not be supported by the taxpayer.. I see you did not
> > address the injured players..
> > Allan
>
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I raised two boys who both enjoyed sports and one played football in
> >> college. There are many levels of learning involved, including
> >> thinking skills of predicting the opponents plays and adapting to what
> >> is going on during the play within the rules of the game. Learning to
> >> strengthen and condition the body for maximum performance is something
> >> that seems to carry beyond the age of sports participation. Teamwork
> >> and respect for ones team and other teams, for me, was probably the
> >> most important thing they learned and in fact, they taught me a few
> >> things about it while they played.
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> >> That is not to say that the things you point out don't occur, Allan.
> >> I think bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do, as I
> >> watched kids who were bullied at home grow up to do the same. The
> >> real crime is that we know people in our communities that bully their
> >> kids and are powerless to do anything about it, other than the
> >> opportune comment to the parent which often brings unintended results
> >> on the child. What we tolerate around us in terms of human behavior
> >> often creates the things we later condemn. that tolerance is
> >> sometimes our own blind spot, sometimes social conditioning and shared
> >> moral code.
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> >> On Apr 18, 2:46 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Education needs more financial support not less.. and is a severe
> >> > problem.. most of which comes from the community failing to meet the
> >> needs
> >> > of educational support and their lack of willingness to pay the cost
> >> they
> >> > could start with by making pay equal that of top executives..
> >> > to encourage the best and brightest to go into that profession ,,
> >> starting
> >> > wages should be at say $50,000.oo to $60,000.oo
> >> > you will start getting the top minds which is desperately needed..
>
> >> > ***** lol ***** response ****
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> >> > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery.?.? well Actually I think it
> >> > does just the opposite it increases it. The jocks become school
> >> approved
> >> > and blessed adolescent thugs oops I mean bullies.. school honors
> >> > their activities as are blessed by the school including bulling,,
> >> commonly
> >> > known as the blind eye..
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> >> > I do know people that have benefited from sports programst,, like a
> >> college
> >> > education but those people seem to have been forced to use the hated
> >> > sports as the way to get the education they needed.. and what about
> >> the
> >> > children seriously injured doing these activities and then covered up
> >> these
> >> > problems so they are never hear of again... you don't want to disturb
> >> > their prize program for encouraging adolescent thuggery.
> >> > Allan
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> >> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > Among the 'elite' competition is high, yes. It's the soft bigotry of
> >> low
> >> > > expectations that worries me more then anything else. Both from some
> >> > > teachers and particularly from parents. A streamlined education
> >> system can
> >> > > fire the former but we can't do piss-all about the latter. How do you
> >> make
> >> > > a parent care? Or have time to care more? Parenting is hard work and
> >> if you
> >> > > have a struggling child handicapped by mental or physical disorders
> >> to deal
> >> > > with then it makes it even worse. Different children have different
> >> needs
> >> > > and should be taught in unique tailor made circumstances. What works
> >> for
> >> > > one child might not work as well for another. It's why I've always
> >> favored
> >> > > the Montessori method for primary schooling.
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> >> > > Also I believe it's important to separate the criminals from those
> >> willing
> >> > > and able to learn. By ninth grade if a child hasn't learned it's not
> >> ok to
> >> > > steal the only way to teach them is to cart his or her little hiney
> >> off to
> >> > > "alternative" school. Some kids need the structure and discipline of
> >> this
> >> > > kind of action to learn. In the right environment with the right
> >> > > encouragement some of these kids could make something of themselves
> >> > > eventually and they should be given the chance WITHOUT disrupting the
> >> > > learning of more well behaved children.
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> >> > > Let's not forget, Allan, that violent competitive sports can be a
> >> > > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery. Just sayin'.
>
> >> > > dj
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> >> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
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> >> > >> On 4/16/12, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> > We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics)
> >> and
> >> > >> > current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these
> >> base
> >> > >> > courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools used
> >> to
> >> > >> teach
> >> > >> > something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World Economics
> >> and
> >> > >> > Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed
> >> down
> >> > >> > school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We
> >> > >> should be
> >> > >> > teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We
> >> need more
> >> > >> > competition and classes that actually challange our kids to attain
> >> > >> > excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive these
> >> > >> days.
> >> > >> > It's a crying shame and it's why the U.S. education system is in
> >> such
> >> > >> > decline.
>
> >> > >> I am not as experienced as others here in education but I have the
> >> > >> impression that the failings we see in education are echoes of
> >> society
> >> > >> not the other way around. The gov't dole requires kids attend (or
> >> > >> else), it is an overworked and underfunded system that keeps kids off
> >> > >> the streets and out of the labor market decreasing prison populations
> >> > >> and fueling multiple economies. If we look at a cultural
> >> cross-section
> >> > >> going from inner-city, urban, suburban, rural with varying
> >> > >> socio-economic conditions, quality of life, and on to exposure and
> >> > >> familiarity with social resources I would say competition is quite
> >> > >> present across the board. What we have is a society composed of
> >> > >> psychologically maladapted humans frantically scrambling about mostly
> >> > >> aimlessly in a post traumatic stupor caused by spending a lifetime in
> >> > >> environments that evolved in every way but those that matter most to
> >> > >> human beings. One could consider it highly successful in that regard.
> >> > >> But that's an opinion (I think), one that doesn't exactly reach
> >> > >> solutions but can contribute some emphasis.
>
> >> > >> > I missed mentioning sports but this is also very important.
> >> Competitive
> >> > >> > sports is a metaphor for life. "Winning isn't everything; it's the
> >> only
> >> > >> > thing."
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> >> > >> I am skeptical of the character traits required to defeat opponents,
> >> > >> as in war "all is fair".. but I agree on learning to face challenge
> >> > >> with an attitude of expectation and consider sports on the
> >> > >> mid-spectrum of character building skills. Success can go too far in
> >> > >> both directions, whether hopping on the highs of success leaving a
> >> > >> wake of failures or becoming despotic and building nepotistic
> >> > >> oligopolies in life- both are negative parasitic behaviors easily
> >> > >> justified and blindingly so. You are on the money though regarding
> >> > >> attitude I think, but it would take a lot of hard social
> >> > >> reconstruction- otherwise it just sounds like dog eat dog, and that
> >> is
> >> > >> what we have now (albeit a more pacified version). Damn I'm
> >> longwinded
> >> > >> tonight: I like the 'Ideal', but I've rarely run into anyone with
> >> that
> >> > >> attitude who can take serious questions into account.
>
> >> > >> We should still have sports either way for the reasons you put
> >> > >> forward. :) I'm a little bit of Semper Fi plus a huge bit of Semper
> >> > >> Vigilance.
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> >> > >> > dj
>
> >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
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> >> > >> >> Absolutely...
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> >> > >> >> On Apr 17, 3:06 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> > I think that critical thinking, negotiation/argumentation,
> >> > >> >> > organization, and information research would be good classes.
>
> >> > >> >> > On Apr 16, 3:03 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > >> >> > > Science... inclusive of Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry n
> >> Biology.
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> >> > >> >> > > On Apr 17, 12:01 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > >> >> > > > " ... what to teach the younger generation..."
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> >> > >> >> > > > History, in truth. Science. Literature.
> >> > >> >> > > > Art. Sports.
> >> > >> >> > > > Current Political and Socio-Economic Issues.
> >> > >> >> > > > & Computers... www.
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> >> > >> >> > > > On Apr 16, 9:42 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com
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> >> > >> wrote:
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> >> > >> >> > > > > Umm.. I dont know if Aezen is now a part of the group or
> >> not
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> >> ill still
> >> > >> >> > > > > reply to him... even we in
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