On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:58 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a lot of things you don't want to address if you want to keep up the theorem "bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do". But then we've learned to take it functionally sporty, haven't we?
Molly has a point Gabby. It's not the wrestling or football or the ever popular 'dodge ball' that make the bully although I must admit these games(especially dodge ball) attract the sadist in us all. Is there a greater feeling of power then flipping some other dude on his ass and then sitting on him for 3 seconds? I think not...unless it's creaming some dude in the kisser with a 90 mile an hour big red rubber ball. Hell yes. (I'm kidding!)
Molly's point about bullies getting bullied at home also rings true with me. Bullies are mostly very unhappy not well adjusted people. Perhaps, maybe just maybe, if some of these abused kids can get some self respect playing a sport their attitude will improve. Let me add that I see a difference between hazing and bullying. The former is a long standing tradition that helps mold new members into the fold if done with restraint. It can also weed out the less hardy individuals that might be more suited to, say, the chess club instead of a team sport. The latter is simply to torture the weak for fun and no other reason.
I will agree that a better ALLOCATION of funds is in order for our educational system. The waste is mind boggling. We build palaces fortified like fortresses and in some cases prisons and serve breakfast and lunch and pay administrators enormous salaries to do what? Always ask for more money next year. I say lets teach our kids in trailers. Or better yet rent some of the empty shopping malls and/or business and retail space that's become available since the Recession. Let's have the kids clean up and do routine maintenance with the janitors in charge. It builds character. Wouldn't hurt for the teachers to sweat right along with the students occasionally. Builds rapport and mutual respect.
Hey I'm just brain storming here but that's the kind of school I hope my grandkids go to. If they do it will be a private school I can tell you that.
dj
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry Molly I was one of the kids bullied.. i lived on a farm .. didn't end till the leaded of the group took me on in PE wresling and I got a hole of the back of his neck.. I milked by hand and my fingers had a reasonable amount of strength he did not want to endure.. he promised to leave me alone.. (he was a real ass hole,, ) I have no respect for highschool sports.. and if parants want to suport it that is fine.,, but it should not be supported by the taxpayer.. I see you did not address the injured players..Allan
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
I raised two boys who both enjoyed sports and one played football in
college. There are many levels of learning involved, including
thinking skills of predicting the opponents plays and adapting to what
is going on during the play within the rules of the game. Learning to
strengthen and condition the body for maximum performance is something
that seems to carry beyond the age of sports participation. Teamwork
and respect for ones team and other teams, for me, was probably the
most important thing they learned and in fact, they taught me a few
things about it while they played.
That is not to say that the things you point out don't occur, Allan.
I think bullies will be bullies no matter what else they do, as I
watched kids who were bullied at home grow up to do the same. The
real crime is that we know people in our communities that bully their
kids and are powerless to do anything about it, other than the
opportune comment to the parent which often brings unintended results
on the child. What we tolerate around us in terms of human behavior
often creates the things we later condemn. that tolerance is
sometimes our own blind spot, sometimes social conditioning and shared
moral code.
On Apr 18, 2:46 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Education needs more financial support not less.. and is a severe
> problem.. most of which comes from the community failing to meet the needs
> of educational support and their lack of willingness to pay the cost they
> could start with by making pay equal that of top executives..
> to encourage the best and brightest to go into that profession ,, starting
> wages should be at say $50,000.oo to $60,000.oo
> you will start getting the top minds which is desperately needed..
>
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> wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery.?.? well Actually I think it
> does just the opposite it increases it. The jocks become school approved
> and blessed adolescent thugs oops I mean bullies.. school honors
> their activities as are blessed by the school including bulling,, commonly
> known as the blind eye..
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> I do know people that have benefited from sports programst,, like a college
> education but those people seem to have been forced to use the hated
> sports as the way to get the education they needed.. and what about the
> children seriously injured doing these activities and then covered up these
> problems so they are never hear of again... you don't want to disturb
> their prize program for encouraging adolescent thuggery.
> Allan
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>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:06 PM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Among the 'elite' competition is high, yes. It's the soft bigotry of low
> > expectations that worries me more then anything else. Both from some
> > teachers and particularly from parents. A streamlined education system can
> > fire the former but we can't do piss-all about the latter. How do you make
> > a parent care? Or have time to care more? Parenting is hard work and if you
> > have a struggling child handicapped by mental or physical disorders to deal
> > with then it makes it even worse. Different children have different needs
> > and should be taught in unique tailor made circumstances. What works for
> > one child might not work as well for another. It's why I've always favored
> > the Montessori method for primary schooling.
>
> > Also I believe it's important to separate the criminals from those willing
> > and able to learn. By ninth grade if a child hasn't learned it's not ok to
> > steal the only way to teach them is to cart his or her little hiney off to
> > "alternative" school. Some kids need the structure and discipline of this
> > kind of action to learn. In the right environment with the right
> > encouragement some of these kids could make something of themselves
> > eventually and they should be given the chance WITHOUT disrupting the
> > learning of more well behaved children.
>
> > Let's not forget, Allan, that violent competitive sports can be a
> > wonderful outlet for adolescent thuggery. Just sayin'.
>
> > dj
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>
> >> On 4/16/12, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > We already teach History, Science, Maths, Social Studies(civics) and
> >> > current events. What is severely lacking is taking ALL of these base
> >> > courses and applying them to real world applications. Schools used to
> >> teach
> >> > something called Home Economics when I was a kid. World Economics and
> >> > Business Basics should be taught in grammer school. We've dumbed down
> >> > school and are churning out future Government Dole Applicants. We
> >> should be
> >> > teaching them how to earn a living not take it for granted. We need more
> >> > competition and classes that actually challange our kids to attain
> >> > excellence. Instead school seems more social then competitive these
> >> days.
> >> > It's a crying shame and it's why the U.S. education system is in such
> >> > decline.
>
> >> I am not as experienced as others here in education but I have the
> >> impression that the failings we see in education are echoes of society
> >> not the other way around. The gov't dole requires kids attend (or
> >> else), it is an overworked and underfunded system that keeps kids off
> >> the streets and out of the labor market decreasing prison populations
> >> and fueling multiple economies. If we look at a cultural cross-section
> >> going from inner-city, urban, suburban, rural with varying
> >> socio-economic conditions, quality of life, and on to exposure and
> >> familiarity with social resources I would say competition is quite
> >> present across the board. What we have is a society composed of
> >> psychologically maladapted humans frantically scrambling about mostly
> >> aimlessly in a post traumatic stupor caused by spending a lifetime in
> >> environments that evolved in every way but those that matter most to
> >> human beings. One could consider it highly successful in that regard.
> >> But that's an opinion (I think), one that doesn't exactly reach
> >> solutions but can contribute some emphasis.
>
> >> > I missed mentioning sports but this is also very important. Competitive
> >> > sports is a metaphor for life. "Winning isn't everything; it's the only
> >> > thing."
>
> >> I am skeptical of the character traits required to defeat opponents,
> >> as in war "all is fair".. but I agree on learning to face challenge
> >> with an attitude of expectation and consider sports on the
> >> mid-spectrum of character building skills. Success can go too far in
> >> both directions, whether hopping on the highs of success leaving a
> >> wake of failures or becoming despotic and building nepotistic
> >> oligopolies in life- both are negative parasitic behaviors easily
> >> justified and blindingly so. You are on the money though regarding
> >> attitude I think, but it would take a lot of hard social
> >> reconstruction- otherwise it just sounds like dog eat dog, and that is
> >> what we have now (albeit a more pacified version). Damn I'm longwinded
> >> tonight: I like the 'Ideal', but I've rarely run into anyone with that
> >> attitude who can take serious questions into account.
>
> >> We should still have sports either way for the reasons you put
> >> forward. :) I'm a little bit of Semper Fi plus a huge bit of Semper
> >> Vigilance.
>
> >> > dj
>> ...> >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Absolutely...
>
> >> >> On Apr 17, 3:06 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I think that critical thinking, negotiation/argumentation,
> >> >> > organization, and information research would be good classes.
>
> >> >> > On Apr 16, 3:03 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Science... inclusive of Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry n Biology.
>
> >> >> > > On Apr 17, 12:01 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > " ... what to teach the younger generation..."
>
> >> >> > > > History, in truth. Science. Literature.
> >> >> > > > Art. Sports.
> >> >> > > > Current Political and Socio-Economic Issues.
> >> >> > > > & Computers... www.
>
> >> >> > > > On Apr 16, 9:42 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > > Umm.. I dont know if Aezen is now a part of the group or not
> >> but
> >> >> ill still
> >> >> > > > > reply to him... even we in our country face a similar problem,
> >> of
> >> >> this
> >> >> > > > > robotic teaching... senseless rote learning. But i am really
> >> >> dissappointed
> >> >> > > > > with our syllabus change our school board did.. i think in
> >> trying
> >> >> to make
> >> >> > > > > stuff easier.. they are giving the people trash..i mean it.. i
> >> can
> >> >> > > > > confidently say.. I did not learn anything in school .. it was
> >> >> only after
> >> >> > > > > going to college that i began to think about stuff.. and it
> >> came
> >> >> like a
> >> >> > > > > bullet train.. and i was thinking.. what crap were they
> >> feeding me
> >> >> in
> >> >> > > > > school. The thing is.. not making the curriculum easy.. but
> >> giving
> >> >> time to
> >> >> > > > > the essential things...I cant think of alternative ways...I
> >> think
> >> >> it'll
> >> >> > > > > always be controversial ..what to teach the younger
> >> generation.. I
> >> >> think..
> >> >> > > > > what worked for me in college was that i got a lot of my own
> >> >> > > > > time..
>
> >> >> > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM, pol.science kid <
> >> >> r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > > > Hey the link worked for me...
>
> >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > > >> I'm not sure aezen is functional Molly.
>
> >> >> > > > > >> On Apr 16, 12:50 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >> > This link is not functional.
>
> >> >> > > > > >> > On Apr 15, 8:55 am, Æzen <ae...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > > >> > > You may be interested in reading the article from which
> >> I
> >> >> have taken
> >> >> > > > > >> the
> >> >> > > > > >> > > following excerpt:
>
> >> >> > > > > >> > > "[...] The truly educated become conscious. They become
> >> >> self-aware.
> >> >> > > > > >> They do
> >> >> > > > > >> > > not lie to themselves. They do not pretend that fraud is
> >> >> moral or that
> >> >> > > > > >> > > corporate greed is good. They do not claim that the
> >> demands
> >> >> of the
> >> >> > > > > >> > > marketplace can morally justify the hunger of children
> >> or
> >> >> denial of
> >> >> > > > > >> medical
> >> >> > > > > >> > > care to the sick. They do not throw 6 million families
> >> from
> >> >> their
> >> >> > > > > >> homes as
> >> >> > > > > >> > > the cost of doing business. Thought is a dialogue with
> >> >> one's inner
> >> >> > > > > >> self.
> >> >> > > > > >> > > Those who think ask questions, questions those in
> >> authority
> >> >> do not
> >> >> > > > > >> want
> >> >> > > > > >> > > asked. They remember who we are, where we come from and
> >> >> where we
> >> >> > > > > >> should go.
> >> >> > > > > >> > > They remain eternally skeptical and distrustful of
> >> power.
> >> >> And they
> >> >> > > > > >> know
> >> >> > > > > >> > > that this moral independence is the only protection from
> >> >> the radical
> >> >> > > > > >> evil
> >> >> > > > > >> > > that results from
>
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