Re: Mind's Eye Some Education

seems a good enough place to aim that emotion

On Apr 20, 4:34 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hate breivik..
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> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You are right Rigsy  it is medieval  just could not find it in the spell
> > checker  (not very bright huh) as for Breivik I think he is creating
> > a fantasy..  though I know of that ate very much against the
> > muslim influnce   they are not secret organizations,  but here in the
> > Netherlands a political party..  and they are very vocal.. and the feelings
> > are quite wide spread..
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> > I can not help but think that Breivik  is trying to be another Hitler
> > instead of the Jews being the focal point it is Muslims he is trying to
> > work up the anti - what ever sentiment to stir up trouble and get people to
> > follow him blindly..   but I do not think he as as bright  as he see
> > himself as.
> > Allan
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> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> It was laws that we really owe to Babylon and the eastern trade routes
> >> plus the East was able to save knowledge resources during the Dark
> >> Ages after the barbarian invasions. Their conquest was swift and
> >> brutal of the West though defeated and pushed back and it's pay-back
> >> for that and the Crusades. BenLadin=the new Saladin?
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> >> You say mid-evil and I say Medieval...? The present international
> >> banking system is beholden to the Knights Templar system. I heard KT
> >> mentioned re Anders Breivik just yesterday but presume it has to do
> >> with his anti-Islam "mission".
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> >> Our alphabet also evolved from the East- math and language being a
> >> necessity of trade.
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> >> On Apr 17, 1:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I watched a program  on the mid evil mind and how they view things..
> >>  one
> >> > of the things that was looked at education and part of it involved
> >> islam ,,
> >> >  I always knew that number system was arabic in origin what i found
> >> > interesting is their interest in the ancient philosophers and
> >> mathematics
> >> > as well as other sciences,, but they did not give much detail on that
> >> end..
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> >> > My question is what happened to islam that it stopped its interest
> >> science
> >> > and mathematics is one of the truly pure sciences it seems all that
> >> islam
> >> > It seems there is no interest in harmony and co-existence is interested
> >> in
> >> > is murder and forcing people to live their set of rules which
> >> > is contrary to western law.
> >> > Allan
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> >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > The education system has become a means of sorting out the population
> >> > > and not necessarily a government scam anymore than one that eases the
> >> > > selections of politics, business, society and so on. It was probably
> >> > > tidier in the Middle Ages with an overall system of belief and
> >> > > practice.
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> >> > > On Apr 15, 10:36 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > I'm struck that universal education has failed us.  I'd go for
> >> > > > deschooling and have education after 14 voluntary and much more
> >> > > > related to practice (not necessarily work).  Current university
> >> > > > programmes should be available on television and available free with
> >> > > > Internet supervision from university hubs where academics work in
> >> the
> >> > > > community and social and sports events are also civic rather than
> >> > > > separated as now.  Education is currently a government scam and an
> >> > > > export scam.
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> >> > > > On Apr 15, 3:23 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > I oscillate between visionary and lunatic fringe. If one liners
> >> paid
> >> > > > > the bills I'd be a millionaire, the exercise comes in the
> >> unpacking so
> >> > > > > a wee bit of sarcasm may be in order. Thanks Vam  ;-)
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> >> > > > > On 4/15/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > > Facebook has "Like", Twitter would allow "Retweet", and I could
> >> > > re-pin
> >> > > > > > on Pinterest ...
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> >> > > > > > Let's say, I am doing all three now !
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> >> > > > > > On Apr 15, 8:57 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> It is helpful to have an idea of process and structure and it
> >> seems
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > >> me you are both talking about a qualitative/individual aspect
> >> to
> >> > > > > >> education. This is an important focus, I think all else
> >> follows from
> >> > > > > >> the challenges to success to the contributions to society-
> >> every
> >> > > last
> >> > > > > >> ounce of potential is in the individual. All else is logistics
> >> of
> >> > > > > >> scale, systematization, and mechanization.
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> >> > > > > >> On 4/14/12, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > >> > Good. But my response has nothing to do eastern or western
> >> > > anything.
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> >> > > > > >> > It's me. I regard any education as nothing if not leading to
> >> the
> >> > > > > >> > evolution of something within me which gives a me
> >> perspective to
> >> > > world
> >> > > > > >> > and life, a values system I can touch to know what the thing
> >> or
> >> > > matter
> >> > > > > >> > before me means, to me.
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> >> > > > > >> > That should leave all the bubbles with you. And the yeast...
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> >> > > > > >> > On Apr 14, 8:49 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> >> It looks you took Ash's mixing pot image too literal, Vam.
> >> You
> >> > > don't
> >> > > > > >> >> bring
> >> > > > > >> >> order into a mixing pot by sequencing bubble terms - add
> >> some
> >> > > yeast if
> >> > > > > >> >> you
> >> > > > > >> >> want to create bubbles and get your new order!
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> >> > > > > >> >> If wisdom is what you wish to attain, you will not be able
> >> to
> >> > > achieve
> >> > > > > >> >> your
> >> > > > > >> >> goal without having taken good care of your critical eye,
> >> for it
> >> > > is the
> >> > > > > >> >> root that prevents you from being blinded.
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> >> > > > > >> >> Education does not deliver knowledge or facts - Google or my
> >> > > newspaper
> >> > > > > >> >> does
> >> > > > > >> >> that. In a wider sense they also educate me, but more in the
> >> > > sense of I
> >> > > > > >> >> am
> >> > > > > >> >> using their services with the intention to get access to
> >> > > information
> >> > > > > >> >> and
> >> > > > > >> >> not in the sense that I wish to get formed in their image.
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> >> > > > > >> >> I see a big difference in eastern and western understanding
> >> of
> >> > > what
> >> > > > > >> >> education means.
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> >> > > > > >> >> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com
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> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >> >> > Education, leading to some wisdom in which our critical
> >> view
> >> > > may take
> >> > > > > >> >> > root, takes time... yes, Knowledge >>> Attitude >>>
> >> > > Application >>>
> >> > > > > >> >> > Skills involves a process of incubation, and Time.
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> >> > > > > >> >> > Now, the time required for specific knowledge-to-skill
> >> > > acquisition
> >> > > > > >> >> > process to complete differs with different people, for a
> >> > > variety of
> >> > > > > >> >> > reasons and factors involved.
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> >> > > > > >> >> > So, the society - education industry - only promises to
> >> > > deliver the
> >> > > > > >> >> > knowledge, leaving our any committment to orienting the
> >> > > student's
> >> > > > > >> >> > attitude, willing to apply and learn from it, and its
> >> > > maturation into
> >> > > > > >> >> > an integrated perspective and life skills.
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> >> > > > > >> >> > The education just delivers the knowledge, the " facts,"
> >> to
> >> > > meet a
> >> > > > > >> >> > schedule. What a stated " fact " means, in association
> >> with
> >> > > others
> >> > > > > >> >> > stated and unstated, is upto the student to discover.
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> >> > > > > >> >> > It may happen tommorow, take a lifetime, or may never
> >> emerge !
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> >> > > > > >> >> > On Apr 14, 3:01 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> >> > > I think education is a mixing pot. Remove the social
> >> factors
> >> > > and I
> >> > > > > >> >> > > think US public education is good, here in the states we
> >> > > believe in
> >> > > > > >> >> > > solving social problems by expanding the prison system.
> >> o.0
> >> > > The
> >> > > > > >> >> > > solutions I keep hearing from people in the past year
> >> are
> >> > > bizarre,
> >> > > > > >> >> > > vigilante militia with public executions sort of stuff.
> >> It
> >> > > makes me
> >> > > > > >> >> > > wonder if it's a meme I'm missing or something. Anyway..
> >> > > back to
> >> > > > > >> >> > > topic.
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> >> > > > > >> >> > > Who has the attitude that it is a waste of time: kids,
> >> > > parents,
> >> > > > > >> >> > > teachers? I imagine modernizing a largely rural or
> >> isolated
> >> > > > > >> >> > > population
> >> > > > > >> >> > > would have some resistance, I'd say give it a few
> >> > > generations to
> >> > > > > >> >> > > get
> >> > > > > >> >> > > going and put a lot of effort in recycling their
> >> traditional
> >> > > > > >> >> > > community
> >> > > > > >> >> > > resources. If it is a boilerplate political maneuver
> >> there
> >> > > is still
> >> > > > > >> >> > > social gain but I would worry about increasing
> >> resentment and
> >> > > > > >> >> > > culture
> >> > > > > >> >> > > clash. The roots of education predate and transcend
> >> > > institutional
> >> > > > > >> >> > > bureaucracy and the primary factors revolve around
> >> family and
> >> > > > > >> >> > > community, a progressive surge could propel innovative
> >> > > strategies
> >> > > > > >> >> > > but
> >> > > > > >> >> > > I think it also could decimate a culture or weaken it's
> >> > > ability to
> >> > > > > >> >> > > adapt and outpace growing pains/challenges.
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> >> > > > > >> >> > > This is an interesting topic pol, more observations
> >> please.
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> >> > > > > >> >> > > On 4/12/12, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
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> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Recently, i was part of some filed work in a village
> >> ...
> >> > > we were
> >> > > > > >> >> > > > looking into primary education there.... well.. while
> >> > > doing the
> >> > > > > >> >> > > > report.. i thought i couldnt really understand
> >> education..
> >> > > > > >> >> > > > clearly
> >> > > > > >> >> > > > what
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