Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

I do, James... Don will insist that Grateful Dead is rock and he may
be right, but I find it is more Blues ... in continuity with what
Louis Armstrong blew. Even Jethro Tull, widely known as prog rock, is
mostly country in spirit.

On Jun 27, 5:57 am, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not a fan of country/blues music Vam?
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> On 6/26/2012 8:24 AM, Vam wrote:
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> > I don't enjoy insulting people ... but why shdn't they enjoy insulting
> > themselves !
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> > Or do they look forward to some kind of stroking...
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> > On Jun 26, 5:20 pm, Vam<atewari2...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On Jun 26, 2:21 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> >>> The 'heart' is difficult to talk about as I believe that it is often used
> >>> metaphorically. I, being the coward that I am, tend to avoid reference to
> >>> it. It could be confused with love.
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> >> And why kind it be true ?
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> >> The kind of stupid one you are ?
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> >> Building something you are safe with...
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> >>> Malc
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> >>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
> >>>> When referring to the tangible object it is within normal operating
> >>>> parameters and conventional properties but we could switch it around a
> >>>> little, say, what we are referring to is a summation of object
> >>>> permanence derived from causal relationships resulting in the idea of a
> >>>> thing we call a heart, or perhaps a million other ways like numbers.
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> >>>> But I think Molly was saying a bit more than that, and perhaps you are
> >>>> too- you sly fox! :)
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> >>>> _pleease interpret as jovial_
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> >>>> On 6/25/2012 9:23 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> >>>>> And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
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> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>>>> The heart also responds to all the things you mention.  Our physical
> >>>>>> organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
> >>>>>> The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
> >>>>>> regard.  Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
> >>>>>> are in dynamic relationship.  The become one in paradox.
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> >>>>>> On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>>>>> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
> >>>>>>> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
> >>>>>>> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
> >>>>>>> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
> >>>>>>> matter and guides it by well established laws.
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> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>>>>>> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
> >>>>>>>> effect of thought on experience.  Science can measure brain function
> >>>>>>>> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
> >>>>>>>> what it means to overall health.  There is a state in sleep and
> >>>>>>>> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
> >>>>>>>> enhanced because of it.
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> >>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
> >>>>>>>>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
> >>>>>>>>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> awareness will be reduced to such a level  as to be insignificant ,
> >>>>>>>>> and if you kill the brain even  awareness which is the spiritual
> >>>>>>>>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit
> >>>> pervades
> >>>>>>>>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the
> >>>> One
> >>>>>>>>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
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> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>   wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart
> >>>> (the
> >>>>>>>>>> one what contains our emotions.)  It's kind of like asking if
> >>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
> >>>>>>>>>> climate.  At some point in our development, because the human being
> >>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life
> >>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
> >>>>>>>>>> optimal health.  And, at some point in our development, we may
> >>>>>>>>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
> >>>>>>>>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived
> >>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>> inside out.  Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
> >>>>>>>>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
> >>>>>>>>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> answers.  Our mind thinks.  We can live and breathe without
> >>>> thinking.
> >>>>>>>>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
> >>>>>>>>>> effects the quality of our lives.
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> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>   wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about...
> >>>> so
> >>>>>>>>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really
> >>>> far
> >>>>>>>>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When
> >>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
> >>>>>>>>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously..
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
> >>>>>>>>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they
> >>>> still
> >>>>>>>>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined
> >>>> it..
> >>>>>>>>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different
> >>>> climate
> >>>>>>>>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
> >>>>>>>>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
> >>>>>>>>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in
> >>>> temperate
> >>>>>>>>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
> >>>>>>>>>>> areas...
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> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com>    wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
> >>>>>>>>>>>> later- and where are we?
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>    wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may
> >>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>    wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unspeakable.  These moral issues form the core of my new book
> >>>> (80%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done).  Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of
> >>>> reference
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew.  You can
> >>>> usually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything.  You can't
> >>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are
> >>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and incommensurable.  The following were examples, exhausting
> >>>> if not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhaustive:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices)        KUHN 1970; BURRELL&
> >>>>   MORGAN 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING       WITTGENSTEIN1922
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES  WITTGENSTEIN 1958
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES      JAMES1911
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALTERNATE REALITIES     CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE STRUCTURES     WHORF 1956
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEMATICS    ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS      PIRSIG 1976
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORLD HYPOTHESES        PEPPER 1942; 1966
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks)      FEYERABEND 1975
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION
> >>>> SYSTEMS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (instrumental v life-world rationalities)       HABERMAS 1984
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES      LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946:  MOSER
> >>>> 1989
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY  WHITEHEAD 1969
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> METAPHOR        MORGAN 1986
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION   BURRELL 1997
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and
> >>>> Einstein's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity and quantum theory.  Very dense work by Snell and
> >>>> Ludvig
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disproves this IMHO.  I take a similar view and believe the
> >>>> problem is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to
> >>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we are talking about.  English Law does not allow the
> >>>> cabin boy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give
> >>>> him
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bankers and others are always telling us they are worth their
> >>>> massive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thefts.  There arguments relies on many frames of reference.
> >>>>   In short
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument, I merely note they are 'responsible' for profits and
> >>>> never
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> losses.  I believe it would be moral to work out what they have
> >>>> lost
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (some estimates at $39 trillion in the US) and take it off all
> >>>> bankers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since 1970.  Such clawback is in line with performance related
> >>>> pay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they claim to believe in.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 12:53 am, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>    wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know I've been plenty tired lately - like Madeline Kahn in
> >>>> Blazing
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