A fascinating subject isn't it.
The thing I find remarkable is this unique identity which I perceive to be me despite the incredible physical and mental changes I have undergone throughout a single lifetime.
Certainly, as Molly mentioned, our emotional state is often a reflection of our mental state. I think also that RPs idea that thought is a product of the physical brain is very likely.
Great posts thankyou.
On Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:15:32 PM UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
This is complex to me. What about the effect of experience upon
thought- or emotions- or drugs, or injury, etc.? The brain is still in
charge running the autonomic/neural system- but this must not be
thinking- or is it? And how do we know the brain is not thinking
during dreams- daydreams, included- when many are unremembered?
On Jun 23, 6:58 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
> effect of thought on experience. Science can measure brain function
> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
> what it means to overall health. There is a state in sleep and
> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
> enhanced because of it.
>
> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
> > awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
> > portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion and
> > awareness will be reduced to such a level as to be insignificant ,
> > and if you kill the brain even awareness which is the spiritual
> > aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit pervades
> > throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the One
> > Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
>
> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart (the
> > > one what contains our emotions.) It's kind of like asking if people
> > > in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
> > > climate. At some point in our development, because the human being is
> > > adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life with
> > > all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
> > > optimal health. And, at some point in our development, we may
> > > discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
> > > internal environment than external and that our lives are lived from
> > > inside out. Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
> > > continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for their
> > > problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
> > > lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for the
> > > answers. Our mind thinks. We can live and breathe without thinking.
> > > Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
> > > effects the quality of our lives.
>
> > > On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about... so
> > >> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really far
> > >> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When you
> > >> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
> > >> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously.. the
> > >> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
> > >> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they still
> > >> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined it..
> > >> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different climate
> > >> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
> > >> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
> > >> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in temperate
> > >> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
> > >> areas...
>
> > >> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in the
> > >> > early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
> > >> > Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
> > >> > later- and where are we?
>
> > >> > On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may have
> > >> > > points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
>
> > >> > > On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
> > >> > > > unspeakable. These moral issues form the core of my new book (80%
> > >> > > > done). Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of reference
> > >> > > > - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew. You can usually
> > >> > > > make several powerful arguments about anything. You can't really
> > >> > > > decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are different
> > >> > > > and incommensurable. The following were examples, exhausting if not
> > >> > > > exhaustive:
>
> > >> > > > PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices) KUHN 1970; BURRELL & MORGAN 1979
> > >> > > > PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING WITTGENSTEIN1922
> > >> > > > LANGUAGE GAMES WITTGENSTEIN 1958
> > >> > > > MULTIPLE REALITIES JAMES1911
> > >> > > > ALTERNATE REALITIES CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
> > >> > > > LANGUAGE STRUCTURES WHORF 1956
> > >> > > > PROBLEMATICS ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
> > >> > > > INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS PIRSIG 1976
> > >> > > > WORLD HYPOTHESES PEPPER 1942; 1966
> > >> > > > DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks) FEYERABEND 1975
> > >> > > > EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION SYSTEMS
> > >> > > > (instrumental v life-world rationalities) HABERMAS 1984
> > >> > > > AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
> > >> > > > FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
> > >> > > > MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946: MOSER 1989
> > >> > > > SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY WHITEHEAD 1969
> > >> > > > METAPHOR MORGAN 1986
> > >> > > > TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION BURRELL 1997
>
> > >> > > > A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and Einstein's
> > >> > > > relativity and quantum theory. Very dense work by Snell and Ludvig
> > >> > > > disproves this IMHO. I take a similar view and believe the problem is
> > >> > > > we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to know
> > >> > > > what we are talking about. English Law does not allow the cabin boy
> > >> > > > to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give him
> > >> > > > the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
>
> > >> > > > Bankers and others are always telling us they are worth their massive
> > >> > > > thefts. There arguments relies on many frames of reference. In short
> > >> > > > argument, I merely note they are 'responsible' for profits and never
> > >> > > > losses. I believe it would be moral to work out what they have lost
> > >> > > > (some estimates at $39 trillion in the US) and take it off all bankers
> > >> > > > since 1970. Such clawback is in line with performance related pay
> > >> > > > they claim to believe in.
>
> > >> > > > On Jun 20, 12:53 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > I know I've been plenty tired lately - like Madeline Kahn in Blazing
> > >> > > > > Saddles: http://youtu.be/Uai7M4RpoLU
>
> > >> > > > > On Jun 19, 6:35 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > Do you think tired?
>
> > >> > > > > > I'm not so sure, certainly disinterested, apathetic and lazy minded; unless
> > >> > > > > > one is a fanatic.
> > >> > > > > > It would seem that the silent majority can put up with a great deal before
> > >> > > > > > they are spurred into action. It took attrocious Victorian exploitation to
> > >> > > > > > create the socialist movement.
>
> > >> > > > > > Six days was an attempt at a bit of imaginative humour, really.
>
> > >> > > > > > On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:54:12 PM UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > Why blame God? Seems to me the human race has been/is "tired".
>
> > >> > > > > > > On Jun 19, 1:04 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > True, God must have been a bit tired when he came up with the
> > >> > > > > > > > learning-to-write trait. :)
>
> > >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > Yes Gabby,
>
> > >> > > > > > > > > The human conditioning that lies with us on the blank table: our
> > >> > > > > > > > > evolutionary successful traits.Things that we can just do like learn
> > >> > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > talk. Not the hard things like learn to write.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48:07 PM UTC+12, gabbydott wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> Yes, I think I know what you are aiming at. That's why I have been
> > >> > > > > > > saying
> > >> > > > > > > > >> time and time again that the blank table theory on which you put or
> > >> > > > > > > take
> > >> > > > > > > > >> away the food for development is an unuseful construct. Even if it
> > >> > > > > > > has
> > >> > > > > > > > >> four legs, it still doesn't walk, so to speak. What I'd like to raise
> > >> > > > > > > > >> awareness for is that human conditioning starts before the little
> > >> > > > > > > human
> > >> > > > > > > > >> lies on the table to be told and shown what is good and what is bad.
> > >> > > > > > > In
> > >> > > > > > > > >> that sense I'd agree that there is something "natural" in morality.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM, pol.science kid wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> so when you say 'the human condition makes me human'... the fact of
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> being human makes me human.?... and the conditions that be inform
> > >> > > > > > > my
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> morality... now taking this and putting it on the dude from my
> > >> > > > > > > book... so
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> it will absolve him of any amoral or immoral calls he takes... now i
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> suppose this was the stand i was driving at... but i cant get
> > >> > > > > > > something in
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> my mind clear yet... i find somehow.. different the two worlds..
> > >> > > > > > > korea and
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> the Eusa... although the eusa has been formed after the
> > >> > > > > > > 'apocalypse'... see
> > >> > > > > > > > >>> they can make themselves yet... their history of horror might inform
>
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