Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

The One Spirit is absolute , it is not increased by addition of
creatures nor decreased by their demise.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 2:05 AM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
> What you are describing may be a nuanced subject RP, when you say "remains
> unchanged" regarding the One Spirit does this have the common meaning of
> change as we would refer to physical things we can manipulate? Is it known
> or surmised, whether?
>
>
> On 6/23/2012 2:35 PM, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion and
>> awareness will be reduced to such a level  as to be insignificant ,
>> and if you kill the brain even  awareness which is the spiritual
>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit pervades
>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the One
>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb363@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart (the
>>> one what contains our emotions.)  It's kind of like asking if people
>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
>>> climate.  At some point in our development, because the human being is
>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life with
>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
>>> optimal health.  And, at some point in our development, we may
>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived from
>>> inside out.  Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for their
>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for the
>>> answers.  Our mind thinks.  We can live and breathe without thinking.
>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
>>> effects the quality of our lives.
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about... so
>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really far
>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When you
>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously.. the
>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they still
>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined it..
>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different climate
>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in temperate
>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
>>>> areas...
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in the
>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
>>>>> later- and where are we?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may have
>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
>>>>>>> unspeakable.  These moral issues form the core of my new book (80%
>>>>>>> done).  Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of reference
>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew.  You can usually
>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything.  You can't really
>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are different
>>>>>>> and incommensurable.  The following were examples, exhausting if not
>>>>>>> exhaustive:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices)        KUHN 1970; BURRELL&  MORGAN
>>>>>>> 1979
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING       WITTGENSTEIN1922
>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES  WITTGENSTEIN 1958
>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES      JAMES1911
>>>>>>> ALTERNATE REALITIES     CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
>>>>>>> LANGUAGE STRUCTURES     WHORF 1956
>>>>>>> PROBLEMATICS    ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
>>>>>>> INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS      PIRSIG 1976
>>>>>>> WORLD HYPOTHESES        PEPPER 1942; 1966
>>>>>>> DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks)      FEYERABEND 1975
>>>>>>> EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION SYSTEMS
>>>>>>> (instrumental v life-world rationalities)       HABERMAS 1984
>>>>>>> AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
>>>>>>> FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
>>>>>>> MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES      LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946:  MOSER 1989
>>>>>>> SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY  WHITEHEAD 1969
>>>>>>> METAPHOR        MORGAN 1986
>>>>>>> TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION   BURRELL 1997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and Einstein's
>>>>>>> relativity and quantum theory.  Very dense work by Snell and Ludvig
>>>>>>> disproves this IMHO.  I take a similar view and believe the problem
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to know
>>>>>>> what we are talking about.  English Law does not allow the cabin boy
>>>>>>> to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give him
>>>>>>> the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Bankers and others are always telling us they are worth their massive
>>>>>>> thefts.  There arguments relies on many frames of reference.  In
>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>> argument, I merely note they are 'responsible' for profits and never
>>>>>>> losses.  I believe it would be moral to work out what they have lost
>>>>>>> (some estimates at $39 trillion in the US) and take it off all
>>>>>>> bankers
>>>>>>> since 1970.  Such clawback is in line with performance related pay
>>>>>>> they claim to believe in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 12:53 am, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know I've been plenty tired lately - like Madeline Kahn in Blazing
>>>>>>>> Saddles:  http://youtu.be/Uai7M4RpoLU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 6:35 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you think tired?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not so sure, certainly disinterested, apathetic and lazy
>>>>>>>>> minded; unless
>>>>>>>>> one is a fanatic.
>>>>>>>>> It would seem that the silent majority can put up with a great deal
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>> they are spurred into action. It took attrocious Victorian
>>>>>>>>> exploitation to
>>>>>>>>> create the socialist movement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Six days was an attempt at a bit of imaginative humour, really.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:54:12 PM UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why blame God? Seems to me the human race has been/is "tired".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 1:04 am, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> True, God must have been a bit tired when he came up with the
>>>>>>>>>>> learning-to-write trait. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Gabby,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The human conditioning that lies with us on the blank table: our
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolutionary successful traits.Things that we can just do like
>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk. Not the hard things like learn to write.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48:07 PM UTC+12, gabbydott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think I know what you are aiming at. That's why I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and time again that the blank table theory on which you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away the food for development is an unuseful construct. Even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> four legs, it still doesn't walk, so to speak. What I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness for is that human conditioning starts before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lies on the table to be told and shown what is good and what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that sense I'd agree that there is something "natural" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> morality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM, pol.science kid  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so when you say 'the human condition makes me human'... the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being human makes me human.?...  and the conditions that be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inform
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morality... now taking this and putting it on the dude from my
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> book... so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it will absolve him of any amoral or immoral calls he takes...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose this was the stand i was driving at... but i cant get
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> something in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mind clear yet... i find somehow.. different the two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worlds..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> korea and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Eusa... although the eusa has been formed after the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'apocalypse'... see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can make themselves yet... their history of horror might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inform
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'morality or ethics'.. but then their life and experience will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it...their instincts will still have primacy(i have my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instincts still though)... i dont see no 'evil overlord'...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now if
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> some one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts form blank in a scenario(the korean camp)... where they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditioned by reward and punishment..quite different form
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> say our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal world gives.. where.. there are no bonds of sympathy...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> empathy..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where causing the death of your kin is normal... i want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.. will the insticts of this person know.. how would right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be.. what would be 'natural'.. i cant help but think there is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'natural' in morality..and 'good'..what would be 'good' for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> born in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camps... wouldnt this person be different from people who came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> camp...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe because they have a recollection of what life can be ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> although
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even civil life in North korea is very much subject to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> control....this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning out to be a long winded thing.... but i think you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jist....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:42 PM, gabbydott  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like James says, it's a familiar story. I don't think one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read all the books on the subject to be able to recognize a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> universal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pattern. How I relate to the world is geared by the human
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made me human and where I am drawing connections I am doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditioning myself. Pinpointing high and low morale on an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> evolutionary map
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems dumb in this light. My being a lion makes perfect sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> one time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I expect you to treat me as a human nevertheless. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach the fear of losing history, historical knowledge and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forgetting of the morals evolved  thereof. Assessing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independently
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgement is a much more pleasant state of mind, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM, pol.science kid  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uh.. since i didnt read the book ..i cant reeally say what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> author
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intends... but why i brought it up was to think about the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> conditioning of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...
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