Re: Mind's Eye Copy write

The aristocracy was replaced with a plutocracy, wasn't it? The
aristocrats were appointed by rulers via knighthood, earldom, etc. The
Pope also appoints. We also have a meritocracy. Many of the American
"Old Guard" rose through mining, lumber, mills, milling, etc- really
tradesmen and industrialists. Early workers, the indentured, the
slaves were expendable.

So, is Apple "too big to fail"? To compete?

We have no choice but to be consumers, do we? Then we enter the arena
of free choice, values, etc. I have an interesting twist in this as I
was born with a silver spoon that I had to learn how to polish so I
have been rich and poor probably learning more when I was "poor"- all
relative terms compared to world poverty. One might be able to argue
we still "barter" cash for for goods and services.

What are you saying about competition- which is different than theft?
Most products are copied from cars to rx. The advantage is to the
consumer.

I like a variety of architectural styles, really, though not a fan of
intense clusters- but that's city planning.



On Aug 29, 1:11 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's one of America's finest achievements replacing
> aristocracy with financial success as a mark of distinction. We can
> all aspire to the later but only a "precious" few can claim the
> former. You can thank George Washington. The man could have been king.
>
> Let us not forget how many people Apple employs, how much the
> corporation and their employees pay in taxes and all the taxes made
> from the sales of the equipment they innovated. Lets not forget the
> many, many jobs poor folks in China have due to Apple's manufacturing
> plant there. And what, pray tell, is wrong with creating new markets?
> At least apple's products are actually useful unlike a certain tulip
> that used to bring a pretty penny hey?
>
> I am a Consumer and will continue to be until the day I die and even
> after. I'll have to be planted/burned up and the funeral home will
> make a big fuss(for a fee) and the newspaper will have a little
> blurb(for a fee) and so on so forth. As it should be. Why cry about
> it? Trade in goods and services are what makes humans so successful as
> a species. Our ability to work together. Without it we would still be
> the savages we no doubt are descendent from.
>
> As for the patents my understand is that they are for the technology
> involved in how the tablet responds to digital manipulation on the
> screen. If Moses had a tablet like that I'm damn impressed and if it
> can be proven I'll reevaluate my entire stand on this God thing. I
> mean, I can explain a burning bush with lightening but a touch screen
> in 1441 BC requires some deity assistance wouldn't you say? Or maybe
> time travel...
>
> I have this image of Steve Jobs busting tablets when he comes down off
> the mountain and catches his flock building false images. You
> know.................Android.
>
> Really like the "clutters the caverns of commerce" line Rigsy. I
> couldn't agree with you more. Although the gothic cathedrals are a
> little too big and overbearing(intended) for my tastes I'm more of a
> Howard Roark(aka Frank Lloyd Wright) kind of man.
>
> dj
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't doubt we need some process to help innovation along.  I no
> > doubt asset rights to my novel and day-job productions of academic
> > programmes.  Molly is welcome to hers.  Newsnight discussed the issue
> > around the quote rigsy comes up with above.  The problem is when the
> > process establishes unnecessary economic rents.
>
> > On 28 Aug, 15:33, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> You are right Molly,  Apple did go though the government process for both a
> >> patent and copyrights,,  but typical of lawyers they lie via ommision..
> >>   the slate board was never patented either in the US or world wide so in
> >> their searches they can claim they never found it..
>
> >> In a way they are telling the truth ant the same time lying .. You have a
> >> automatic copy write  and if you put a copy of your work in a
> >> sealed envelope then mail it to yourself  as long as the envelope is you
> >> have proof of date of origin..  you do not have to go though the copy write
> >> process.
>
> >> When the design argument comes up a slate tablet from the 17th or 18th or
> >> early 19th century would proof of original creation.  and invalid that part
> >> of the copy write claim.  Today the world is about bullshit and high priced
> >> lawyers.  A simple slate tablet showing up in the court room would
> >> invalidate their claim..  but then the lawyers would not get rich over it..
>
> >> Now my opinion..  the lawyers should have to contribute twice there fees,,
> >> and the corporations twice their damage claims to one of the world hunger
> >> funds run by the UN.. I bet that would stop these petty arguments and
> >> wasting courts time. It would benefit the world
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:22 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > I do think one has the right to protect ideas and inventions- it is a
> >> > work product. However, it is a lively topic when we include absurd
> >> > profits and monopoly. True, creators of the past were content to
> >> > contribute freely- even anonymously- but we see how the reward system
> >> > has changed- mostly with capitalism- but also with wars and conquests.
> >> > I think much of the American problem can also be traced to the fact
> >> > that we lack aristocratic lineage to brag about so we substitute
> >> > merchandise as a mark of our status.
>
> >> > On Aug 28, 6:19 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > As I understand it, the the first step to patent, trademark or
> >> > > copyright is a search to make sure the submission is originalhttp://
> >> >www.uspto.gov/patents/process/index.jsp
> >> > > If the government issues the patent, it has survived these rigors,
> >> > > meaning, their records indicate the submission does not violate any
> >> > > previously issued patent.  The same goes for copyright.  My essays
> >> > > always take much longer to copyright than my fiction, and I am told by
> >> > > the Office of Copyright, that this is because of the initial search
> >> > > process.
>
> >> > > I have the feeling that the current owners of the Mona Lisa or the
> >> > > estate da Vinci have that all tied up or should, but artwork, I am
> >> > > sure, has a different life span for copyright than a patent would for
> >> > > an invention.  These certifications expire and must be re - applied
> >> > > for after a term.
>
> >> > > I am not here to argue any side, and my only opinion is that it makes
> >> > > for an interesting side show.  I for one, am glad that I can write,
> >> > > and hold copyrights.  And that intellectual property laws protect my
> >> > > work and livelihood to some degree.  These certifications didn't much
> >> > > help Tesla, but I don't think he cared enough to pursue infringement
> >> > > cases.  I am not sure I do either.
>
> >> > > On Aug 28, 3:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Molly what you are saying about the patent office  to vary it a
> >> > little,, is
> >> > > > I am allowed to copy the Mona Lisa , put my name on it ,, then copy
> >> > write
> >> > > > it, then I control the design of any one wanting to reproduce it in any
> >> > > > form I can sue. Apple has stolen from our history intentionally  and is
> >> > > > trying to deceive the public. the shape and design belongs to the
> >> > entire
> >> > > > world and any one is allowed to use it.
> >> > > > Allan
>
> >> > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > Yes that is true Molly  but the slate Table existed long before copy
> >> > > > > writes existed.  For this reason alone the design can not be a copy
> >> > write.
> >> > > > >  Apple already had lost that argument in England and Apple has to
> >> > publish
> >> > > > >  written that Samsung  that were did not violate its copy writes.
>
> >> > > > > All apple did was go though items that were copy writed to save
> >> > time..
> >> > > > >  and they know that the the slate tablet existed long before,,  I
> >> > think
> >> > > > > they even used a slate tablet in an advertisement.  The Jury ruling
> >> > has to
> >> > > > > be over ridden when that information becomes public.   the design
> >> > sits
> >> > > > > in emanate domain.
> >> > > > > Allan
>
> >> > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > >> If the copyright was granted, it was a valid application.  The
> >> > office
> >> > > > >> of copyright does a thorough search of previous copyrights issued
> >> > > > >> before granting.  Now, anyone can file a lawsuit in the US, and a
> >> > > > >> judge or jury decides if the copyright has been infringed.
>
> >> > > > >> On Aug 27, 9:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> > they don't pay dividends.. they have over a billion in china so
> >> > they do
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> > have to pay US taxes..  I will  leave the politics out of it..
> >> > they
> >> > > > >> lost in
> >> > > > >> > England the same case,,   and they have to print for online and
> >> > > > >> television
> >> > > > >> > for 6 months that samsung did not steal their ideas..
>
> >> > > > >> > I have a hunch before to long long Apple will face problems for
> >> > filing
> >> > > > >> > false copy right claims..  I do think they are over their head
> >> > and do
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> > know it yet. Their problems are just beginning including their
> >> > lawyers..
> >> > > > >> >  oh yeah big trouble..
> >> > > > >> > Allan
>
> >> > > > >> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > > >> > > Not sure if Apple even pays a dividend- I think the stock is
> >> > trading
> >> > > > >> > > in the $600.'s and is now described as the most profitable
> >> > company on
> >> > > > >> > > earth beating out Exxon-Mobile (who still hasn't fixed the
> >> > Valdez
> >> > > > >> > > spill/aftermath which may be impossible anyway). So while I
> >> > agree I
> >> > > > >> > > would be gracious for Apple to donate to food programs, I think
> >> > it
> >> > > > >> > > would be for the sake of pr at this time as they are
> >> > essentially a
> >> > > > >> > > snob catering to narcisstic, conspicuous consumer types, i.e.
> >> > creating
> >> > > > >> > > their own universe and standards. More companies than Samsung
> >> > will be
> >> > > > >> > > affected.// The world is looney. Too bad the craftsmen that
> >> > created
> >> > > > >> > > those ever-gorgeous Gothic cathedrals can't sue the dull,
> >> > repetitive
> >> > > > >> > > skyscrapers that clutter the canyons of commerce.
>
> >> > > > >> > > On Aug 27, 5:42 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> > > > Gabby ,,  my material world is reasonably secure  and I do
> >> > not see
> >> > > > >> how
> >> > > > >> > > that
> >> > > > >> > > > has any relevance to lawsuits brought by apple against
> >> > Samsung..
> >> > > > >> and they
> >> > > > >> > > > own and control the design of the
>
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