Re: Mind's Eye Copy write

An even stronger example is/was the KoalaPad Touch Tablet that plugged
into Apple, IBM, Commodore and Atari. It worked with a stylus. It also
has rounded corners. :-)

On Aug 29, 4:36 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I forgot about that one..  so Apples design copy write is in valid..  Ii
> think they are trying to expand what they received the patent copy write
> for..
>
> It is my personal opinion that the copy right for the individual and their
> work should remain the same..  but corporate copy writes should have a
> maximum limitation of ten years.
> Allan
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > The words Etch-a-Scetch come to mind!
>
> > On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 07:52:59 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> >> Don the big court case is not over technology it is over design..   a
> >> case they lost in Europe,, so they took the US in hopes of suckering a
> >> jury..   design wise there is no difference between the slate tablet and
> >> the I-Pad except technology.. that was not the question..
>
> >> As for creating jobs  well  they are in the news over here for a lot of
> >> substandard working conditions.. not good jobs, as they would have you
> >> believe..  The chips for Samsung are made in Texas..
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I think it's one of America's finest achievements replacing
> >>> aristocracy with financial success as a mark of distinction. We can
> >>> all aspire to the later but only a "precious" few can claim the
> >>> former. You can thank George Washington. The man could have been king.
>
> >>> Let us not forget how many people Apple employs, how much the
> >>> corporation and their employees pay in taxes and all the taxes made
> >>> from the sales of the equipment they innovated. Lets not forget the
> >>> many, many jobs poor folks in China have due to Apple's manufacturing
> >>> plant there. And what, pray tell, is wrong with creating new markets?
> >>> At least apple's products are actually useful unlike a certain tulip
> >>> that used to bring a pretty penny hey?
>
> >>> I am a Consumer and will continue to be until the day I die and even
> >>> after. I'll have to be planted/burned up and the funeral home will
> >>> make a big fuss(for a fee) and the newspaper will have a little
> >>> blurb(for a fee) and so on so forth. As it should be. Why cry about
> >>> it? Trade in goods and services are what makes humans so successful as
> >>> a species. Our ability to work together. Without it we would still be
> >>> the savages we no doubt are descendent from.
>
> >>> As for the patents my understand is that they are for the technology
> >>> involved in how the tablet responds to digital manipulation on the
> >>> screen. If Moses had a tablet like that I'm damn impressed and if it
> >>> can be proven I'll reevaluate my entire stand on this God thing. I
> >>> mean, I can explain a burning bush with lightening but a touch screen
> >>> in 1441 BC requires some deity assistance wouldn't you say? Or maybe
> >>> time travel...
>
> >>> I have this image of Steve Jobs busting tablets when he comes down off
> >>> the mountain and catches his flock building false images. You
> >>> know.................Android.
>
> >>> Really like the "clutters the caverns of commerce" line Rigsy. I
> >>> couldn't agree with you more. Although the gothic cathedrals are a
> >>> little too big and overbearing(intended) for my tastes I'm more of a
> >>> Howard Roark(aka Frank Lloyd Wright) kind of man.
>
> >>> dj
>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > I don't doubt we need some process to help innovation along.  I no
> >>> > doubt asset rights to my novel and day-job productions of academic
> >>> > programmes.  Molly is welcome to hers.  Newsnight discussed the issue
> >>> > around the quote rigsy comes up with above.  The problem is when the
> >>> > process establishes unnecessary economic rents.
>
> >>> > On 28 Aug, 15:33, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> You are right Molly,  Apple did go though the government process for
> >>> both a
> >>> >> patent and copyrights,,  but typical of lawyers they lie via
> >>> ommision..
> >>> >>   the slate board was never patented either in the US or world wide
> >>> so in
> >>> >> their searches they can claim they never found it..
>
> >>> >> In a way they are telling the truth ant the same time lying .. You
> >>> have a
> >>> >> automatic copy write  and if you put a copy of your work in a
> >>> >> sealed envelope then mail it to yourself  as long as the envelope is
> >>> you
> >>> >> have proof of date of origin..  you do not have to go though the copy
> >>> write
> >>> >> process.
>
> >>> >> When the design argument comes up a slate tablet from the 17th or
> >>> 18th or
> >>> >> early 19th century would proof of original creation.  and invalid
> >>> that part
> >>> >> of the copy write claim.  Today the world is about bullshit and high
> >>> priced
> >>> >> lawyers.  A simple slate tablet showing up in the court room would
> >>> >> invalidate their claim..  but then the lawyers would not get rich
> >>> over it..
>
> >>> >> Now my opinion..  the lawyers should have to contribute twice there
> >>> fees,,
> >>> >> and the corporations twice their damage claims to one of the world
> >>> hunger
> >>> >> funds run by the UN.. I bet that would stop these petty arguments and
> >>> >> wasting courts time. It would benefit the world
> >>> >> Allan
>
> >>> >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:22 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > I do think one has the right to protect ideas and inventions- it is
> >>> a
> >>> >> > work product. However, it is a lively topic when we include absurd
> >>> >> > profits and monopoly. True, creators of the past were content to
> >>> >> > contribute freely- even anonymously- but we see how the reward
> >>> system
> >>> >> > has changed- mostly with capitalism- but also with wars and
> >>> conquests.
> >>> >> > I think much of the American problem can also be traced to the fact
> >>> >> > that we lack aristocratic lineage to brag about so we substitute
> >>> >> > merchandise as a mark of our status.
>
> >>> >> > On Aug 28, 6:19 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > > As I understand it, the the first step to patent, trademark or
> >>> >> > > copyright is a search to make sure the submission is
> >>> originalhttp://
> >>> >> >www.uspto.gov/patents/**process/index.jsp<http://www.uspto.gov/patents/process/index.jsp>
> >>> >> > > If the government issues the patent, it has survived these rigors,
> >>> >> > > meaning, their records indicate the submission does not violate
> >>> any
> >>> >> > > previously issued patent.  The same goes for copyright.  My essays
> >>> >> > > always take much longer to copyright than my fiction, and I am
> >>> told by
> >>> >> > > the Office of Copyright, that this is because of the initial
> >>> search
> >>> >> > > process.
>
> >>> >> > > I have the feeling that the current owners of the Mona Lisa or the
> >>> >> > > estate da Vinci have that all tied up or should, but artwork, I am
> >>> >> > > sure, has a different life span for copyright than a patent would
> >>> for
> >>> >> > > an invention.  These certifications expire and must be re -
> >>> applied
> >>> >> > > for after a term.
>
> >>> >> > > I am not here to argue any side, and my only opinion is that it
> >>> makes
> >>> >> > > for an interesting side show.  I for one, am glad that I can
> >>> write,
> >>> >> > > and hold copyrights.  And that intellectual property laws protect
> >>> my
> >>> >> > > work and livelihood to some degree.  These certifications didn't
> >>> much
> >>> >> > > help Tesla, but I don't think he cared enough to pursue
> >>> infringement
> >>> >> > > cases.  I am not sure I do either.
>
> >>> >> > > On Aug 28, 3:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> > > > Molly what you are saying about the patent office  to vary it a
> >>> >> > little,, is
> >>> >> > > > I am allowed to copy the Mona Lisa , put my name on it ,, then
> >>> copy
> >>> >> > write
> >>> >> > > > it, then I control the design of any one wanting to reproduce
> >>> it in any
> >>> >> > > > form I can sue. Apple has stolen from our history intentionally
> >>>  and is
> >>> >> > > > trying to deceive the public. the shape and design belongs to
> >>> the
> >>> >> > entire
> >>> >> > > > world and any one is allowed to use it.
> >>> >> > > > Allan
>
> >>> >> > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> > > > > Yes that is true Molly  but the slate Table existed long
> >>> before copy
> >>> >> > > > > writes existed.  For this reason alone the design can not be
> >>> a copy
> >>> >> > write.
> >>> >> > > > >  Apple already had lost that argument in England and Apple
> >>> has to
> >>> >> > publish
> >>> >> > > > >  written that Samsung  that were did not violate its copy
> >>> writes.
>
> >>> >> > > > > All apple did was go though items that were copy writed to
> >>> save
> >>> >> > time..
> >>> >> > > > >  and they know that the the slate tablet existed long
> >>> before,,  I
> >>> >> > think
> >>> >> > > > > they even used a slate tablet in an advertisement.  The Jury
> >>> ruling
> >>> >> > has to
> >>> >> > > > > be over ridden when that information becomes public.   the
> >>> design
> >>> >> > sits
> >>> >> > > > > in emanate domain.
> >>> >> > > > > Allan
>
> >>> >> > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> >> > > > >> If the copyright was granted, it was a valid application.
> >>>  The
> >>> >> > office
> >>> >> > > > >> of copyright does a thorough search of previous copyrights
> >>> issued
> >>> >> > > > >> before granting.  Now, anyone can file a lawsuit in the US,
> >>> and a
> >>> >> > > > >> judge or jury decides if the copyright has been infringed.
>
> >>> >> > > > >> On Aug 27, 9:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > > > >> > they don't pay dividends.. they have over a billion in
> >>> china so
> >>> >> > they do
> >>> >> > > > >> not
> >>> >> > > > >> > have to pay US taxes..  I will  leave the
>
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