Re: Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

Let's hand it back to Molly. With lots of love.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Umm the very first ME baby!?
>
> On Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:32:42 UTC+1, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> Let's mate them! They seem about the right ages.
>>
>> On Aug 22, 7:27 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hahah he wishes he was related to Gabs!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, 22 August 2012 01:47:33 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>> >
>> > > Isn't that why we are all here? Related to gabby?
>> >
>> > > On Aug 21, 4:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > I'll get round to looking at your video Andrew. My thought in the
>> > > > meantime concerns DNA evidence that supports the idea that farming
>> > > > was
>> > > > introduced to the country of my birth by people from what is now
>> > > > Germany 3000 years ago. We Scots don't usually see that as part of
>> > > > our heritage. Damn it! I'm probably related to Gabby!
>> >
>> > > > On Aug 21, 11:19 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > I find these kind of "truths" you quote to be man made
>> > > > > "mathematical
>> > > > > definitions" that allways have constaints to them. Example, a
>> > > > > square
>> > > is
>> > > > > defined to have 4 equal lengths as long as it is on a flat plane
>> > > surface.
>> > > > > And 2+2=4 as long as we are talking about 2 of the same things,
>> > > > > like
>> > > for
>> > > > > example apples. You are invited to see my video presentation about
>> > > > > mathematics. What do numbers have to tell us? How can we listen to
>> > > them? See
>> > > > > YouTube video "Numbers Simplified".
>> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK4ZBzwbYqY.
>> >
>> > > > > On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:10:55 AM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > I've been reading some Thomas Hobbes lately and what he has to
>> > > > > > say
>> > > on the
>> > > > > > nature of truth I think is valid here.
>> >
>> > > > > > It is absoultly true that a square is made up of four lines of
>> > > > > > equal
>> > > > > > length. Indeed it is also absolutly true that 2 added to 2
>> > > > > > equals
>> > > 4.
>> >
>> > > > > > Of course thier are some objective truths out there.
>> >
>> > > > > > On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:56:27 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> I do not think that there is any objective truth at all. Just
>> > > > > >> like
>> > > beauty
>> > > > > >> is in the eyes of the beholder, truth is in the mind of the
>> > > beholder.
>> > > > > >> People regard something as true if they trust and have faith or
>> > > believe in
>> > > > > >> the knowledge about that something. Because knowledge can never
>> > > > > >> be
>> > > complete
>> > > > > >> because nobody is perfect, truth can never be complete. Because
>> > > trust is
>> > > > > >> subjective, truth is also subjective. Religion is a good
>> > > > > >> example of
>> > > this
>> > > > > >> with the many truths floating around. Science is another
>> > > > > >> example of
>> > > this
>> > > > > >> with the constant changing of knowledge.
>> > > > > >> On Friday, August 17, 2012 6:11:32 PM UTC+2, Lee Douglas wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >>> Myself I think there are lots of differnt truths, both
>> > > > > >>> subjective
>> > > and
>> > > > > >>> objective. Problems arise though when we claim subjective
>> > > > > >>> truth
>> > > as
>> > > > > >>> objective. I guess it may be hard to sort which is which
>> > > sometimes, but
>> > > > > >>> should we stop trying?
>> > > > > >>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 17:00:47 UTC+1, Vam wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >>>> Truth is truth for all times... not yours or mine, local or
>> > > universal !
>> > > > > >>>> No, no, there no scorn or smirk I have while I'm releasing
>> > > > > >>>> the
>> > > reply... The
>> > > > > >>>> fact is that there isn't anybody who can offer something
>> > > > > >>>> anywhere
>> > > close to
>> > > > > >>>> this rigorous criteria. And, nobody cares, about that
>> > > > > >>>> poverty...
>> > > of truth,
>> > > > > >>>> in truth !
>> >
>> > > > > >>>> I just saw a response that seemed to equate the truth with
>> > > crap... God
>> > > > > >>>> bless.
>> >
>> > > > > >>>> And, too, I saw Allan go on the defense, perhaps because the
>> > > doubts did
>> > > > > >>>> creep in. Or, because he did not know what he was espousing
>> > > > > >>>> from
>> > > the start !
>> >
>> > > > > >>>> Yet, that is the only way forward. If one has not inched
>> > > > > >>>> there,
>> > > one has
>> > > > > >>>> been nowhere.
>> >
>> > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 7:04:59 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03
>> > > > > >>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> But would that make it a universal truth or only your truth?
>> > > (The
>> > > > > >>>>> sprouts root downwards.)
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> On Aug 15, 12:30 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >>>>> > Truth ... *sigh* ... is not in what we pick up in the
>> > > > > >>>>> > book,
>> > > what
>> > > > > >>>>> Momma
>> > > > > >>>>> > says, what 'great' men seem or say, not even in what I
>> > > > > >>>>> > feel or
>> > > think
>> > > > > >>>>> or
>> > > > > >>>>> > know ... it is first and foremost in what I see and know
>> > > > > >>>>> > of
>> > > *my*
>> > > > > >>>>> self, sans
>> > > > > >>>>> > thoughts and meanings... in the way I am, within the
>> > > > > >>>>> > body-mind
>> > > > > >>>>> structure,
>> > > > > >>>>> > and their sub-structures, the subconscious qualifications
>> > > > > >>>>> > and
>> > > > > >>>>> attributes
>> > > > > >>>>> > that pre-load me and form and shape my emotions and will,
>> > > > > >>>>> > my
>> > > > > >>>>> thoughts and
>> > > > > >>>>> > meanings, the knowledge I think I know, and the very idea
>> > > > > >>>>> > I
>> > > have of
>> > > > > >>>>> myself.
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > It's only after we've covered that distance upto ourself
>> > > > > >>>>> > ...
>> > > do we
>> > > > > >>>>> get the
>> > > > > >>>>> > perspective of the universal structures, material and
>> > > > > >>>>> > mental,
>> > > and
>> > > > > >>>>> its very
>> > > > > >>>>> > cause.
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > Truth ... is NEVER contradicted. One may be superseded by
>> > > > > >>>>> > a
>> > > higher,
>> > > > > >>>>> more
>> > > > > >>>>> > fundamental or universal one, but never contradicted.
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > There may not be a truth in our knowledge to accord with
>> > > > > >>>>> > that
>> > > > > >>>>> rigorous
>> > > > > >>>>> > definition ! Even gravity gets contradicted by a little
>> > > > > >>>>> > sprout
>> > > ...
>> > > > > >>>>> it grows
>> > > > > >>>>> > upward !
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > On Friday, August 10, 2012 1:35:36 PM UTC+5:30, Vam wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > > How exactly do you specify that ? Being Human, that
>> > > > > >>>>> > > is...
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > > Put aside the biologist telling you of your
>> > > > > >>>>> > > classification
>> > > or the
>> > > > > >>>>> > > scientist detailing the features... What exactly tells
>> > > > > >>>>> > > that
>> > > you
>> > > > > >>>>> are a human
>> > > > > >>>>> > > being, apart from the rest of the animal kind ?
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > > I know it is easy to go frivolous, or quote the millions
>> > > > > >>>>> > > of
>> > > texts
>> > > > > >>>>> in the
>> > > > > >>>>> > > library. But what does it mean to you, that you can
>> > > > > >>>>> > > vouch
>> > > for,
>> > > > > >>>>> pointedly ?
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > > What sets me apart is my capacity to know, to engage
>> > > single-minded
>> > > > > >>>>> in that
>> > > > > >>>>> > > process of discovery of what I seek to know, one after
>> > > another,
>> > > > > >>>>> and to be
>> > > > > >>>>> > > able to tell myself what I do know, its how and why, and
>> > > share it
>> > > > > >>>>> with
>> > > > > >>>>> > > others. The knowing leads me everywhere... into the
>> > > universe, the
>> > > > > >>>>> earth,
>> > > > > >>>>> > > environment, other beings and things, language, arts,
>> > > economics,
>> > > > > >>>>> values
>> > > > > >>>>> > > system, and myself.
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>> > > The next important capacity is to love other people, not
>> > > just my
>> > > > > >>>>> own
>> > > > > >>>>> > > offspring, not just for people's utility value or until
>> > > > > >>>>> > > they
>> > > are
>> > > > > >>>>> useful to
>> > > > > >>>>> > > me, but precisely because of the lifetime of knowing
>> > > > > >>>>> > > they
>> > > > > >>>>> represent, and
>> > > > > >>>>> > > for the values they embody on account of what they know.
>> > > > > >>>>> > > In
>> > > fact,
>> > > > > >>>>> love
>> > > > > >>>>> > > isn't just directed towards individuals... it invariably
>> > > includes
>> > > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > > >>>>> > > "good," life and growth, light, greenery, panorama,
>> > > > > >>>>> > > beauty,
>> > > truth,
>> > > > > >>>>> honesty,
>> > > > > >>>>> > > freedom, expression... and much of what the universe
>> > > > > >>>>> > > itself
>> > > is.
>> >
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