Re: Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

OK, while we are at it, truth is not EVERYTHING, but no thing. Nah,
Vam, not even bridging the gap will make its factual nature more
apparent.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
> While we at it, there is a need for exactness in our speech :
>
> Truth is not "many" things... It is EVERYTHING.
> Even a lie is a truth for a time, for someone... it might get superceded by
> another truth, but until then... Some lies remain as truth for decades, even
> centuries !
>
> Fact vs Truth
>
> A fact is a truth for the moment, usually for a limited constituency.
> It would change, with more info...
>
> A truth is a fact for life... more universal, even universe wide...
> And it remains valid for generations, even all time.
>
> Nature Of Truth
>
> Truth is of the nature of knowledge of oneself - - -
> Facts are truths about other things of being.
>
> Knowledge of Gravity remains a fact about material bodies
> until we conclusively know what it means to ourself... to our body, its
> processes, its routine, our thoughts, our sights and views, our walk, etc.
>
> Use of Truth
>
> Indeed, one "could"... not would... profit by knowledge of any kind.
> But that is absolutely secondary and peripheral to the knowledge itself.
>
> There is knowledge in itself, for its own sake. It is not essential that one
> profits by it.
> Profit has nothing to do with the knowledge itself; it has something to do
> with our ignorance, the very opposite of knowledge !
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:51:47 PM UTC+5:30, Lee Douglas wrote:
>>
>> 1) Is that a truth?
>>
>> Truth is many things and there are many truths, some I guess would indeed
>> make one richer.
>>
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>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 21:52:45 UTC+1, Vam wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool comebacks ...
>>>
>>> 1) If what you know is changing, then it is not the truth. You need to
>>> wait until the changing stops and you are able to say to yourself with
>>> certainty that this it ... what I now know holds good forever. It does not
>>> depend even upon me ! Or, you need to look elsewhere.
>>>
>>> 2) Truth is not subjective. It is of the subject, but not dependent upon
>>> the subject. Whether one knows or not, knows correctly, completely or
>>> incorrectly, incompletely ... the truth remains, as it ever was and will
>>> forever be.
>>>
>>> Truth is not understanding, thought, idea or speculation. It is futile,
>>> as in it does not make us richer or powerful, nor can it applied
>>> technologically.
>>>
>>> But it illuminate us and, through that, illuminates all phenomena mental
>>> and physical. And that is an infinitely powerful way to be... without fear,
>>> want or hurry, without the least sense of inadequacy or incompletion.
>>> without any subconscious.
>>>
>>> Suppose, I am handed a bolt and asked what is it means. I wouldn't know a
>>> shite except for the description, as it looks and can be metallurgically
>>> tested. It's only when I discover that it is a critical member of an
>>> aeroplane, the functions it facilitates, on which hundreds of lives depend
>>> ... do I get to know what it really means.
>>>
>>> So too is the pin hole view : it is a view alright. But what is it of ? I
>>> wouldn't know until I look upon the entire panorama. The whole system view
>>> or the universal view, the complete view is absolutely essential, even if I
>>> have to understand what a blade of grass means !
>>>
>>> That is what truth offers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 10, 2012 1:35:36 PM UTC+5:30, Vam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How exactly do you specify that ? Being Human, that is...
>>>>
>>>> Put aside the biologist telling you of your classification or the
>>>> scientist detailing the features... What exactly tells that you are a human
>>>> being, apart from the rest of the animal kind ?
>>>>
>>>> I know it is easy to go frivolous, or quote the millions of texts in the
>>>> library. But what does it mean to you, that you can vouch for, pointedly ?
>>>>
>>>> What sets me apart is my capacity to know, to engage single-minded in
>>>> that process of discovery of what I seek to know, one after another, and to
>>>> be able to tell myself what I do know, its how and why, and share it with
>>>> others. The knowing leads me everywhere... into the universe, the earth,
>>>> environment, other beings and things, language, arts, economics, values
>>>> system, and myself.
>>>>
>>>> The next important capacity is to love other people, not just my own
>>>> offspring, not just for people's utility value or until they are useful to
>>>> me, but precisely because of the lifetime of knowing they represent, and for
>>>> the values they embody on account of what they know. In fact, love isn't
>>>> just directed towards individuals... it invariably includes the "good," life
>>>> and growth, light, greenery, panorama, beauty, truth, honesty, freedom,
>>>> expression... and much of what the universe itself is.
>>>>
>>>> What else or more, as it is with you ?
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