Re: Mind's Eye Re: Are You A Human Being ?

Well, I didn't think it through that far. :) Virgins and bombers I
certainly hope not! I meant to refer to the facts portion being mostly
hooey, people seem to have quite a low standard IMO. Has anyone else
noticed an rapid decline in argumentation over the past few years? Not
here but in general day to day. Strange stuff...

On 8/16/2012 2:36 AM, Allan H wrote:
> Was reviewing the topic and the life after death,, it seems you have
> printed a Islamic representation of virgins? rushing to the suicide bomber..
>
> Actually I do not see it as a lot of difficulty with the topic if a
> person views that the soul is a spiritual being. when the body dies the
> soul simply returns to the spiritual realm there really is only one
> question the soul will ask of itself "Did I live life in a moral ,
> ethical and truthful manner?". The answer to that question comes out
> in the famous "Karma" and your level within the Entirety.
>
> The original definition for a politician in english was
> 'professional liar',, there are some that are working for the
> betterment of man, but I am left wondering if 'parrot' is not a
> good description of a lot of the politicians, government workers and for
> that matter people.. as you watch the american election system,, the
> republicans will be reciting what their elitist party over lords tell
> them to say.
>
> I have trouble visualizing a realm where there is nothing to steal or
> hoard or other spiritual beings to manipulate. the great mandela might
> be a be starting point of the relationship we have with the Entirety.
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:33 AM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com
> <mailto:ashkashal@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Do you find it advisable to speak your mind more often or to just
> smile while wading through the hooey? I find it a crap shoot, but
> any advice?
>
>
> On 8/15/2012 3:32 AM, gabbydott wrote:
>
> Actually, I like the phenomenal view too. Then I start breaking
> it down
> into accessible units. That's how I come up with my matters of
> fact. It
> always amazes me how others come up with their facts and how
> these facts
> fit into my factual pattern. The truth, if you wish.
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com
> <mailto:atewari2007@gmail.com>
> <mailto:atewari2007@gmail.com <mailto:atewari2007@gmail.com>>__>
> wrote:
>
> Couldn't disagree with a word of what you said. It's
> sickening how
> they parrot calls for "lasting peace" and cannot have a larger
> expanse than their family or own body ,,, than their daily
> dime or a
> lifetime !
>
> The promised morality and ethics of the rationalist,
> materialist,
> and that pitiable bundle of confusion called "relativist"
> is more a
> delusion or pious wish, in actual effect. Because morals
> cannot be
> derived from the phenomena; they are matters of fact
> evident to the
> universal and dilated witness... the truth.
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:40:27 PM UTC+5:30, Allan
> Heretic wrote:
>
> Realistically Vam the Western world including Islamist have
> fallen under the spell of christian fundamentalism and
> the "Have
> you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior. That
> is all
> that is needed to get into heaven.." under there dogma
> nothing
> else is needed.. it seems all of the western beliefs
> have come
> up with some form of excuse that allows one to have bad
> behavior
> and still get into heaven..
>
> No wonder why there are so many atheist and agnostics
> as That is
> in reality a pretty hard piece of crap to buy.,
> especially to a
> person that is thinking, not looking for an excuse
> behave badly.
> passing the buck sort of speaking. Suicide bombers when
> they
> stand in judgement of themselves are are going to feel
> the pain
> of taking their life and realize those they have killed is
> murder against the rules.. or the extreme wealthy that are
> causing people to suffer because of their greed.. what
> happens
> when they find that their wealth has no value in the
> spiritual
> world and they find their souls alone and empty.
>
> In a way I hope I am wrong, as everyone is responsible
> to live
> life in a moral, ethical and truthful manner. This is
> what is
> required for the souls spiritual development and
> advancement.
> Unfortunately many of the churches and spiritual
> leaders don't
> realize and are more interested in their own promotion.
> It is
> sad because the basic guideline is actually well know,,
> either
> added to or distorted to fit the desire of those they are
> dealing with.. I really do not know how to say that
> because it
> really ends up jumping into peoples beliefs.
>
> Everyone on their death finds their own spiritual level
> because
> the becomes totally to the light.. hmm maybe that is
> where all
> the ghost you hear about but people who just can not
> accept
> or believe reality even in this world or is it they are
> trying
> to create their own reality.
>
> simply put there is no army of God (or what ever name
> you chose
> to call him) and heaven is just what you create
> by your behavior. it all boils down to the question
> have you
> lived your life in a moral, ethical and truthful manner.
> Allan
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Vam
> <atewa...@gmail.com <mailto:atewa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> *Let me push through one "ridiculous" instance of
> what it is
> to be human, of his capacity to know ...*
>
> * Is there life after death ? " What will happen to
> me after
> death ?"*
>
> <http://vamadevananda.__wordpress.com/2012/08/01/__journal-atharva-veda-part-iii/__sanyo-digital-camera-4/
> <http://vamadevananda.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/journal-atharva-veda-part-iii/sanyo-digital-camera-4/>>
>
> *These questions seem irrelevant while one is alive and
>
> doing well for oneself, in a position to power our way
> through life and the world before us. But then, who
> is to
> restrain us from being whimsical or cruel, unjust and
> uncaring ? It must be ourselves, for the law allows
> much
> transgression in ethics and rarely concerns itself with
> morals. And, scouring through history or looking
> about us
> for how resourceful people behave, it is easy to
> conclude
> that men are poor, almost disabled, at doing the job of
> keeping themselves under their own leash.*
>
> *On the other hand, if it were established that
> there is
>
> life after death, that we shall be put to account
> for our
> actions in life, the knowledge would have a
> profound bearing
> on how we conduct ourselves here and now.*
>
>
> I believe most humans do not want to believe that
> this could
> be a fact and, indeed, fervently hope they would
> NOT have to
> live with the "moral" consequences of their intent
> and deeds
> on their conscience even after they've breathed
> their last !
>
> But we've heard of cries of truth being
> "outlandish" before !
>
> On Monday, August 13, 2012 11:56:25 PM UTC+5:30, Allan
> Heretic wrote:
>
> we (docs and me) monitor it regularly,, major
> problem
> is a language one ,, we are not sure just
> what to
> do.. i am sure it will all work out.. I have been
> dealing with it for years Rigsy.. not worried
> besides
> it is fun to drive doc nuts..
> Allan
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:35 PM, rigsy03
> <rig...@yahoo.com <mailto:rig...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Just take those meds religiously. Have you
> tried
> doing things with
> your left hand if you are right-handed?
> Even like
> brushing your teeth
> or unlocking a door, etc.- it builds new
> synapses.
> You are in good
> company- Alexander and Caesar had epilipsy-
> maybe
> you've lost nothing!
>
> On Aug 13, 12:00 pm, Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Very interesting,, I do know that because of my
> epilepsy that part of my
> > brain is weak and malfunctions. neural activity is
> > very fascinating especially when it effects you
> in daily life.. there is
> > damage from the epileptic activity.
> >
> > worlds change believe me.. but i wonder what I
> have lost.
> > Allan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:37 PM, gabbydott
> <gabbyd...@gmail.com <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > I share your fears, which is why suggest a
> limbo competition in which
> > > you need to lower the bar.
> >
> > > So here is my video link for you as a sign of
> understanding you:
> >
> >
> >http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_____r__amachandran_the_neurons___that___s__haped_civi <http://www.ted.com/talks/vs___r__amachandran_the_neurons_that___s__haped_civi>. <http://www.ted.com/talks/vs___ramachandran_the_neurons_that___shaped_civi <http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civi>.>..
>
> >
> > > Am I close?
> >
> > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Vam
> <atewari2...@gmail.com <mailto:atewari2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > I believe, people who put in their 2 cents on
> this thread were already
> > > > daunted by my rules... no regurgitating other
> people's thoughts.
> >
> > > > What's more basic than the topic : Are you a
> human being ? In what way,
> > > over
> > > > and above what animals do ? And, all the
> brilliant minds here are
> > > > struggling...
> >
> > > > I am afraid, raising the bar into non-dual
> will simply crash on them !
> > > So...
> >
> > > > Mind Eyers ! Let me ask yet again...
> >
> > > > Are you a human being, over and above the
> animal ways ?
> >
> > > > What do you think is so difficult about the
> topic ?
> >
> > > > On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:29:47 PM
> UTC+5:30, Molly wrote:
> >
> > > >> Moving in spirit, and outside the realm of
> time, is non dual, and
> > > >> therefore, also outside the realm of cause
> and effect. I think when we
> > > are
> > > >> moving in spirit, and centered in a non dual
> view, we have integrated
> > > >> entirely. It does not mean time and cause
> and effect do not exist. It
> > > >> means that our viewpoint transcends, and
> therefore our external and
> > > internal
> > > >> experience of life transcends also. I love
> this Joseph Campbell quote:
> > > >> "We can't rid the world of sorrow, but we
> can choose to live in joy ...
> > > The
> > > >> Bodhisattva participates joyfully in the
> sorrows of the world." Maybe,
> > > >> being human is the journey there (the view
> we bring into the world) and
> > > back
> > > >> again (after being completely submersed in
> the world). Siddhartha.
> >
> > > >> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:32:15 AM
> UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
> >
> > > >>> I think the nature of man as we know it is
> really not going to change
> > > >>> much, there will be time of better behavior
> and times of less desirable
> > > >>> behavior. Other than for the development of
> the soul into a greater
> > > being in
> > > >>> closer connection with the Entirety.
> > > >>> Every soul has complete free choice in its
> development and progression.
> >
> > > >>> It is the relationship with the Entirety
> that is important.. some
> > > people
> > > >>> seek this connection through wealth and
> greed, others through war and
> > > >>> destruction.. What ever path that is
> chosen it will have effects on
> > > the
> > > >>> soul.. and none of them actually effect the
> immortality of its
> > > existence.
> > > >>> The soul is already eternal whether people
> believe it or not, even
> > > that
> > > >>> does not matter.
> >
> > > >>> Darma tells us that life is for moral,
> ethical and truthful living.
> > > Karma
> > > >>> tells us there are effect to be expected
> from our actions.. karma does
> > > not
> > > >>> tell us when though. This can be a problem
> because of my
> > > understanding in
> > > >>> the spiritual realm there is no time.
> > > >>> Allan
> >
> > > >>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Vam
> <atewa...@gmail.com <mailto:atewa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>> If mere being raised by human beings, and
> being a part of their
> > > family,
> > > >>>> is the criterion... I'm afraid, even dogs
> and cats can lay a claim to
> > > being
> > > >>>> human.
> >
> > > >>>> #BrainIsNotTheMind
> > > >>>> I've never held in hand or dived into the
> brain 2 connect neurones, or
> > > >>>> throttle endocrine glands, 2 deal with
> matters in the mind !
> >
> > > >>>> And, to those who continue to primacy to
> the animal in man ... I've
> > > not
> > > >>>> known of any animal devising 84 different,
> well thought out positions
> > > to
> > > >>>> copulate, or prepare thousands of distinct
> food preparations and still
> > > >>>> distinguish their flavours enough to write
> volumes on each !
> >
> > > >>>> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:09:24 AM
> UTC+5:30, AmandaRheen wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>> I guess the only thing that really allows
> me to know that I am a
> > > human
> > > >>>>> being is that I was born into and grew up
> within a family of
> > > creatures who
> > > >>>>> identified themselves and me as human
> beings. Then as reinforcement
> > > of this
> > > >>>>> idea I attended large communal gatherings
> at regular intervals with
> > > others
> > > >>>>> who generally looked and acted the same
> as myself. Occassionally the
> > > >>>>> creatures in charge would take great
> pains to demand that we act
> > > like human
> > > >>>>> beings, not like animals hehe. Mostly
> from these experiences I have
> > > learned
> > > >>>>> to identify myself as 'human being'.
> > > >>>>> As far as considering myself 'apart' from
> other animals I'm not
> > > sure I
> > > >>>>> really attended that class. Perhaps I
> played hooky that day and was
> > > off
> > > >>>>> riding my horse through the bush with our
> two dogs. Granted some of
> > > the
> > > >>>>> human being creatures I knew would tell
> me we were apart from other
> > > >>>>> creatures but my own human being family
> seemed less concerned about
> > > this
> > > >>>>> distinction and more concerned with
> showing other creatures great
> > > care and
> > > >>>>> respect in return for the loyalty and
> co-operation they gave in their
> > > >>>>> interaction with us. Sure we
> occasionally ate one of them but
> > > animals have
> > > >>>>> their own ways of levelling the field
> when they really feel like it.
> > > I
> > > >>>>> concede though none of them ever actually
> ate me.
> >
> > > >>>> --
> >
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> (
> > > >>> )
> > > >>> |_D Allan
> >
> > > >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
> >
> > > > --
> >
> > > --
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> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
> >
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.-
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