Actually I do not see it as a lot of difficulty with the topic if a person views that the soul is a spiritual being. when the body dies the soul simply returns to the spiritual realm there really is only one question the soul will ask of itself "Did I live life in a moral , ethical and truthful manner?". The answer to that question comes out in the famous "Karma" and your level within the Entirety.
The original definition for a politician in english was 'professional liar',, there are some that are working for the betterment of man, but I am left wondering if 'parrot' is not a good description of a lot of the politicians, government workers and for that matter people.. as you watch the american election system,, the republicans will be reciting what their elitist party over lords tell them to say.
I have trouble visualizing a realm where there is nothing to steal or hoard or other spiritual beings to manipulate. the great mandela might be a be starting point of the relationship we have with the Entirety.
Allan
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:33 AM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you find it advisable to speak your mind more often or to just smile while wading through the hooey? I find it a crap shoot, but any advice?
On 8/15/2012 3:32 AM, gabbydott wrote:
Actually, I like the phenomenal view too. Then I start breaking it down
into accessible units. That's how I come up with my matters of fact. It
always amazes me how others come up with their facts and how these facts
fit into my factual pattern. The truth, if you wish.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com*Let me push through one "ridiculous" instance of what it is<mailto:atewari2007@gmail.com>> wrote:
Couldn't disagree with a word of what you said. It's sickening how
they parrot calls for "lasting peace" and cannot have a larger
expanse than their family or own body ,,, than their daily dime or a
lifetime !
The promised morality and ethics of the rationalist, materialist,
and that pitiable bundle of confusion called "relativist" is more a
delusion or pious wish, in actual effect. Because morals cannot be
derived from the phenomena; they are matters of fact evident to the
universal and dilated witness... the truth.
On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:40:27 PM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:
Realistically Vam the Western world including Islamist have
fallen under the spell of christian fundamentalism and the "Have
you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior. That is all
that is needed to get into heaven.." under there dogma nothing
else is needed.. it seems all of the western beliefs have come
up with some form of excuse that allows one to have bad behavior
and still get into heaven..
No wonder why there are so many atheist and agnostics as That is
in reality a pretty hard piece of crap to buy., especially to a
person that is thinking, not looking for an excuse behave badly.
passing the buck sort of speaking. Suicide bombers when they
stand in judgement of themselves are are going to feel the pain
of taking their life and realize those they have killed is
murder against the rules.. or the extreme wealthy that are
causing people to suffer because of their greed.. what happens
when they find that their wealth has no value in the spiritual
world and they find their souls alone and empty.
In a way I hope I am wrong, as everyone is responsible to live
life in a moral, ethical and truthful manner. This is what is
required for the souls spiritual development and advancement.
Unfortunately many of the churches and spiritual leaders don't
realize and are more interested in their own promotion. It is
sad because the basic guideline is actually well know,, either
added to or distorted to fit the desire of those they are
dealing with.. I really do not know how to say that because it
really ends up jumping into peoples beliefs.
Everyone on their death finds their own spiritual level because
the becomes totally to the light.. hmm maybe that is where all
the ghost you hear about but people who just can not accept
or believe reality even in this world or is it they are trying
to create their own reality.
simply put there is no army of God (or what ever name you chose
to call him) and heaven is just what you create
by your behavior. it all boils down to the question have you
lived your life in a moral, ethical and truthful manner.
Allan
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Vam <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
to be human, of his capacity to know ...*
* Is there life after death ? " What will happen to me after
death ?"*
<http://vamadevananda.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/journal-atharva-veda-part-iii/sanyo-digital-camera-4/>
*These questions seem irrelevant while one is alive andkeeping themselves under their own leash.*
doing well for oneself, in a position to power our way
through life and the world before us. But then, who is to
restrain us from being whimsical or cruel, unjust and
uncaring ? It must be ourselves, for the law allows much
transgression in ethics and rarely concerns itself with
morals. And, scouring through history or looking about us
for how resourceful people behave, it is easy to conclude
that men are poor, almost disabled, at doing the job of
*On the other hand, if it were established that there ison how we conduct ourselves here and now.*
life after death, that we shall be put to account for our
actions in life, the knowledge would have a profound bearing>http://www.ted.com/talks/vs___r__amachandran_the_neurons_that___s__haped_civi. <http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civi.>..
I believe most humans do not want to believe that this could
be a fact and, indeed, fervently hope they would NOT have to
live with the "moral" consequences of their intent and deeds
on their conscience even after they've breathed their last !
But we've heard of cries of truth being "outlandish" before !
On Monday, August 13, 2012 11:56:25 PM UTC+5:30, Allan
Heretic wrote:
we (docs and me) monitor it regularly,, major problem
is a language one ,, we are not sure just what to
do.. i am sure it will all work out.. I have been
dealing with it for years Rigsy.. not worried besides
it is fun to drive doc nuts..
Allan
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:35 PM, rigsy03
<rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just take those meds religiously. Have you tried
doing things with
your left hand if you are right-handed? Even like
brushing your teeth
or unlocking a door, etc.- it builds new synapses.
You are in good
company- Alexander and Caesar had epilipsy- maybe
you've lost nothing!
On Aug 13, 12:00 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Very interesting,, I do know that because of my
epilepsy that part of my
> brain is weak and malfunctions. neural activity is
> very fascinating especially when it effects you
in daily life.. there is
> damage from the epileptic activity.
>
> worlds change believe me.. but i wonder what I
have lost.
> Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:37 PM, gabbydott
<gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I share your fears, which is why suggest a
limbo competition in which
> > you need to lower the bar.
>
> > So here is my video link for you as a sign of
understanding you:
>
>
>
> > Am I close?
>
> > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Vam
<atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I believe, people who put in their 2 cents on
this thread were already
> > > daunted by my rules... no regurgitating other
people's thoughts.
>
> > > What's more basic than the topic : Are you a
human being ? In what way,
> > over
> > > and above what animals do ? And, all the
brilliant minds here are
> > > struggling...
>
> > > I am afraid, raising the bar into non-dual
will simply crash on them !
> > So...
>
> > > Mind Eyers ! Let me ask yet again...
>
> > > Are you a human being, over and above the
animal ways ?
>
> > > What do you think is so difficult about the
topic ?
>
> > > On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:29:47 PM
UTC+5:30, Molly wrote:
>
> > >> Moving in spirit, and outside the realm of
time, is non dual, and
> > >> therefore, also outside the realm of cause
and effect. I think when we
> > are
> > >> moving in spirit, and centered in a non dual
view, we have integrated
> > >> entirely. It does not mean time and cause
and effect do not exist. It
> > >> means that our viewpoint transcends, and
therefore our external and
> > internal
> > >> experience of life transcends also. I love
this Joseph Campbell quote:
> > >> "We can't rid the world of sorrow, but we
can choose to live in joy ...
> > The
> > >> Bodhisattva participates joyfully in the
sorrows of the world." Maybe,
> > >> being human is the journey there (the view
we bring into the world) and
> > back
> > >> again (after being completely submersed in
the world). Siddhartha.
>
> > >> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:32:15 AM
UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > >>> I think the nature of man as we know it is
really not going to change
> > >>> much, there will be time of better behavior
and times of less desirable
> > >>> behavior. Other than for the development of
the soul into a greater
> > being in
> > >>> closer connection with the Entirety.
> > >>> Every soul has complete free choice in its
development and progression.
>
> > >>> It is the relationship with the Entirety
that is important.. some
> > people
> > >>> seek this connection through wealth and
greed, others through war and
> > >>> destruction.. What ever path that is
chosen it will have effects on
> > the
> > >>> soul.. and none of them actually effect the
immortality of its
> > existence.
> > >>> The soul is already eternal whether people
believe it or not, even
> > that
> > >>> does not matter.
>
> > >>> Darma tells us that life is for moral,
ethical and truthful living.
> > Karma
> > >>> tells us there are effect to be expected
from our actions.. karma does
> > not
> > >>> tell us when though. This can be a problem
because of my
> > understanding in
> > >>> the spiritual realm there is no time.
> > >>> Allan
>
> > >>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Vam
<atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> If mere being raised by human beings, and
being a part of their
> > family,
> > >>>> is the criterion... I'm afraid, even dogs
and cats can lay a claim to
> > being
> > >>>> human.
>
> > >>>> #BrainIsNotTheMind
> > >>>> I've never held in hand or dived into the
brain 2 connect neurones, or
> > >>>> throttle endocrine glands, 2 deal with
matters in the mind !
>
> > >>>> And, to those who continue to primacy to
the animal in man ... I've
> > not
> > >>>> known of any animal devising 84 different,
well thought out positions
> > to
> > >>>> copulate, or prepare thousands of distinct
food preparations and still
> > >>>> distinguish their flavours enough to write
volumes on each !
>
> > >>>> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:09:24 AM
UTC+5:30, AmandaRheen wrote:
>
> > >>>>> I guess the only thing that really allows
me to know that I am a
> > human
> > >>>>> being is that I was born into and grew up
within a family of
> > creatures who
> > >>>>> identified themselves and me as human
beings. Then as reinforcement
> > of this
> > >>>>> idea I attended large communal gatherings
at regular intervals with
> > others
> > >>>>> who generally looked and acted the same
as myself. Occassionally the
> > >>>>> creatures in charge would take great
pains to demand that we act
> > like human
> > >>>>> beings, not like animals hehe. Mostly
from these experiences I have
> > learned
> > >>>>> to identify myself as 'human being'.
> > >>>>> As far as considering myself 'apart' from
other animals I'm not
> > sure I
> > >>>>> really attended that class. Perhaps I
played hooky that day and was
> > off
> > >>>>> riding my horse through the bush with our
two dogs. Granted some of
> > the
> > >>>>> human being creatures I knew would tell
me we were apart from other
> > >>>>> creatures but my own human being family
seemed less concerned about
> > this
> > >>>>> distinction and more concerned with
showing other creatures great
> > care and
> > >>>>> respect in return for the loyalty and
co-operation they gave in their
> > >>>>> interaction with us. Sure we
occasionally ate one of them but
> > animals have
> > >>>>> their own ways of levelling the field
when they really feel like it.
> > I
> > >>>>> concede though none of them ever actually
ate me.
>
> > >>>> --
>
> > >>> --
> > >>> (
> > >>> )
> > >>> |_D Allan
>
> > >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > --
>
> > --
>
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
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