On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, while we are at it, truth is not EVERYTHING, but no thing. Nah,
Vam, not even bridging the gap will make its factual nature more
apparent.
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
> While we at it, there is a need for exactness in our speech :
>
> Truth is not "many" things... It is EVERYTHING.
> Even a lie is a truth for a time, for someone... it might get superceded by
> another truth, but until then... Some lies remain as truth for decades, even
> centuries !
>
> Fact vs Truth
>
> A fact is a truth for the moment, usually for a limited constituency.
> It would change, with more info...
>
> A truth is a fact for life... more universal, even universe wide...
> And it remains valid for generations, even all time.
>
> Nature Of Truth
>
> Truth is of the nature of knowledge of oneself - - -
> Facts are truths about other things of being.
>
> Knowledge of Gravity remains a fact about material bodies
> until we conclusively know what it means to ourself... to our body, its
> processes, its routine, our thoughts, our sights and views, our walk, etc.
>
> Use of Truth
>
> Indeed, one "could"... not would... profit by knowledge of any kind.
> But that is absolutely secondary and peripheral to the knowledge itself.
>
> There is knowledge in itself, for its own sake. It is not essential that one
> profits by it.
> Profit has nothing to do with the knowledge itself; it has something to do
> with our ignorance, the very opposite of knowledge !
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:51:47 PM UTC+5:30, Lee Douglas wrote:
>>
>> 1) Is that a truth?
>>
>> Truth is many things and there are many truths, some I guess would indeed
>> make one richer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 21:52:45 UTC+1, Vam wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool comebacks ...
>>>
>>> 1) If what you know is changing, then it is not the truth. You need to
>>> wait until the changing stops and you are able to say to yourself with
>>> certainty that this it ... what I now know holds good forever. It does not
>>> depend even upon me ! Or, you need to look elsewhere.
>>>
>>> 2) Truth is not subjective. It is of the subject, but not dependent upon
>>> the subject. Whether one knows or not, knows correctly, completely or
>>> incorrectly, incompletely ... the truth remains, as it ever was and will
>>> forever be.
>>>
>>> Truth is not understanding, thought, idea or speculation. It is futile,
>>> as in it does not make us richer or powerful, nor can it applied
>>> technologically.
>>>
>>> But it illuminate us and, through that, illuminates all phenomena mental
>>> and physical. And that is an infinitely powerful way to be... without fear,
>>> want or hurry, without the least sense of inadequacy or incompletion.
>>> without any subconscious.
>>>
>>> Suppose, I am handed a bolt and asked what is it means. I wouldn't know a
>>> shite except for the description, as it looks and can be metallurgically
>>> tested. It's only when I discover that it is a critical member of an
>>> aeroplane, the functions it facilitates, on which hundreds of lives depend
>>> ... do I get to know what it really means.
>>>
>>> So too is the pin hole view : it is a view alright. But what is it of ? I
>>> wouldn't know until I look upon the entire panorama. The whole system view
>>> or the universal view, the complete view is absolutely essential, even if I
>>> have to understand what a blade of grass means !
>>>
>>> That is what truth offers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 10, 2012 1:35:36 PM UTC+5:30, Vam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How exactly do you specify that ? Being Human, that is...
>>>>
>>>> Put aside the biologist telling you of your classification or the
>>>> scientist detailing the features... What exactly tells that you are a human
>>>> being, apart from the rest of the animal kind ?
>>>>
>>>> I know it is easy to go frivolous, or quote the millions of texts in the
>>>> library. But what does it mean to you, that you can vouch for, pointedly ?
>>>>
>>>> What sets me apart is my capacity to know, to engage single-minded in
>>>> that process of discovery of what I seek to know, one after another, and to
>>>> be able to tell myself what I do know, its how and why, and share it with
>>>> others. The knowing leads me everywhere... into the universe, the earth,
>>>> environment, other beings and things, language, arts, economics, values
>>>> system, and myself.
>>>>
>>>> The next important capacity is to love other people, not just my own
>>>> offspring, not just for people's utility value or until they are useful to
>>>> me, but precisely because of the lifetime of knowing they represent, and for
>>>> the values they embody on account of what they know. In fact, love isn't
>>>> just directed towards individuals... it invariably includes the "good," life
>>>> and growth, light, greenery, panorama, beauty, truth, honesty, freedom,
>>>> expression... and much of what the universe itself is.
>>>>
>>>> What else or more, as it is with you ?
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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