Sorry RP, I have to call bullshit on this as you know I would.
You talk about genetic predisposition and envirmental learning as if these are rock solid. Let us for just a second remember the power of words and say that a predispostion is exaclty that, not a hard solid rule and learnt behavour can of course be unlearnt.
When a man goes to a mind doctor for reasons of what ever meantl health problems plauge him, he may be offerd CBT as an aid to getting his head back in order. How is it that these technichs work if we are really all fully bound and fetterd by our genes and our enviroment?
On Monday, 13 August 2012 11:54:12 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
What I would do is limited to my nature and as Lee and I are made up--
differently his choice would be different , but that would be in line
with the choice towards which he is genetically predisposed or
environmentally learned. What I mean is that will is a consequence of
thought processes which end up in making a choice.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM, AmandaRheen <Machiav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What I understand you to be saying is merely that free will is limited to
> the number of possible choices that are available to the organism within the
> total capacities of the material matter of the organism. The part where you
> stop making sense to me is
>
> " If you think that is freedom , then you are really the
> master of yourself. " in context of the example you used with Lee.
>
> That is "where I would have
>
> beaten up a child mercilessly you would not have because you are not
> free , if you think you are go ahead and shoot up your enemy , but of
> course you would not because your reason would stop you where mine
> would not."
>
> What does 'if you think that is freedom, the you are really the master of
> yourself' mean?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:53:49 PM UTC+10, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> The will to change yourself comes from within you , but those who are
>> ignorant of the intricacies of nature think that they have brought
>> about this change. When you breathe you think that you are freely
>> doing so but the fact is that it is your body which is demanding it.
>> Whether you are controlling your anger or not is in your hands but
>> your decisions arise from the working of your brain which is matter
>> and as such governed by neurological or biological principles. If
>> freedom was real the whole machinery of the universe would have
>> collapsed and there would have been mayhem everywhere , but that is
>> not the case and wherever you look you find harmony within. Whatever a
>> man does it is his nature expressing itself , where I would have
>> beaten up a child mercilessly you would not have because you are not
>> free , if you think you are go ahead and shoot up your enemy , but of
>> course you would not because your reason would stop you where mine
>> would not. If you think that is freedom , then you are really the
>> master of yourself.
>>
>>
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