Re: Mind's Eye Re: Matter

Whatever we think and whatever we do arises as a consequence of neural
activity which precede the thought processes or rather the thought
processes are a projection of this activity. When we are offered
psycho-therapy our brain reacts to it first and the thought process is
just the consequence , the efforts we make are a result of brain
activity which precede them. What are we without our genes ? just
nothing! What are we without the universe ? again nothing !
Predisposition is just that, an inclination, without which there is no
beginning. You have to start from somewhere and you don't do that from
scratch , you have your predisposition.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry RP, I have to call bullshit on this as you know I would.
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> You talk about genetic predisposition and envirmental learning as if these
> are rock solid. Let us for just a second remember the power of words and
> say that a predispostion is exaclty that, not a hard solid rule and learnt
> behavour can of course be unlearnt.
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> When a man goes to a mind doctor for reasons of what ever meantl health
> problems plauge him, he may be offerd CBT as an aid to getting his head back
> in order. How is it that these technichs work if we are really all fully
> bound and fetterd by our genes and our enviroment?
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> On Monday, 13 August 2012 11:54:12 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> What I would do is limited to my nature and as Lee and I are made up
>> differently his choice would be different , but that would be in line
>> with the choice towards which he is genetically predisposed or
>> environmentally learned. What I mean is that will is a consequence of
>> thought processes which end up in making a choice.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM, AmandaRheen <Machiav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > What I understand you to be saying is merely that free will is limited
>> > to
>> > the number of possible choices that are available to the organism within
>> > the
>> > total capacities of the material matter of the organism. The part where
>> > you
>> > stop making sense to me is
>> >
>> > " If you think that is freedom , then you are really the
>> > master of yourself. " in context of the example you used with Lee.
>> >
>> > That is "where I would have
>> >
>> > beaten up a child mercilessly you would not have because you are not
>> > free , if you think you are go ahead and shoot up your enemy , but of
>> > course you would not because your reason would stop you where mine
>> > would not."
>> >
>> > What does 'if you think that is freedom, the you are really the master
>> > of
>> > yourself' mean?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:53:49 PM UTC+10, RP Singh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The will to change yourself comes from within you , but those who are
>> >> ignorant of the intricacies of nature think that they have brought
>> >> about this change. When you breathe you think that you are freely
>> >> doing so but the fact is that it is your body which is demanding it.
>> >> Whether you are controlling your anger or not is in your hands but
>> >> your decisions arise from the working of your brain which is matter
>> >> and as such governed by neurological or biological principles. If
>> >> freedom was real the whole machinery of the universe would have
>> >> collapsed and there would have been mayhem everywhere , but that is
>> >> not the case and wherever you look you find harmony within. Whatever a
>> >> man does it is his nature expressing itself , where I would have
>> >> beaten up a child mercilessly you would not have because you are not
>> >> free , if you think you are go ahead and shoot up your enemy , but of
>> >> course you would not because your reason would stop you where mine
>> >> would not. If you think that is freedom , then you are really the
>> >> master of yourself.
>> >>
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