Re: Mind's Eye turning the world Greek

Perhaps part of the distain felt for messy motherhood, as well.
However, I would say that the poor and middle class want to be rich
even though they are held back from such an existence. One only has to
observe the copy-cat motives in slick media and advertising- and
politics. Politicians and war-hawks cause as much grief as those who
manipulate the financial system. The problem is that wealth trumps
just about everything to a certain point- ruin and/or death.

On Sep 3, 9:57 pm, Francis Hunt <francis.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe a possible beginning to change lies in a general societal shift in
> the way we see wealth and those who amass it. Rather than according them
> adulation, we should perhaps work on spreading the view that such people
> are necessarily morally deficient in some way. People in the possession of
> millions must have achieved this at the cost of the suffering of others -
> if not legally, then morally.
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> This kind of attitude would then regard all those who work in banking and
> the so-called "financial services" with a mixture of pity and distain;
> people doing a distasteful job which, unfortunately, may be necessary given
> the way we run things - a bit like the way we would think about people who
> clean sewers; something someone has to do, perhaps, but nothing that anyone
> decent would want to do.
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> The good opinion of one's fellows is a major aspect of our societal
> relations. To stop envying and praising the rich and instead begin pitying
> and despising them might be a start.
>
> On 4 September 2012 04:22, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The problem is the business as usual solutions don't and can't work.
> > We hear stuff like bringing jobs back - but technology has changed so
> > much that what might once ave created 3000 jobs is now a factory run
> > by 100 people minding clever machines.  We have been sending over half
> > our kids to university for a long time now - even China has a big
> > problem with low paid white collar workers with degrees (called the
> > Ant People).  The investment in education still seems sound to most,
> > but it's not and is diverted from elsewhere.  The world's highest
> > value company on market capitalisation makes toys.
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> > My guess is the problem starts with our attitude towards work and
> > stealing other people's effort.  I believe this is as mad as, say,
> > societies that slaughtered their own teenagers to satisfy fertility
> > gods.  The problem is that we need guaranteed work programmes as a
> > means to share created wealth and duties to each other AND some means
> > through which this isn't some kind of horrible control system.  For
> > every answer there are 'Gabby objections' (no doubt I can produce
> > more).  About half he youth of Europe is unemployed.  There is work to
> > do, but surely trying to turn everyone into a Santa's elf producing
> > neater mobile toys can;t help.
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> > I'm led to believe deep confusion in our ideologies almost
> > automatically produces non-answers.
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> > On 3 Sep, 20:09, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have been reading this posting  oddly I am lost, I know there needs to
> > be
> > > a solution.. But I do not have any ideas..
> > > Allan
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> > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I sense you've thrown the Ayn Rand baby away. But there are places she
> > > > discusses money and how it is an expression of value, how it represents
> > > > honest work, and why it deserves to be trashed when it accrues on
> > account
> > > > of efforts that are corrupt or valueless.
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> > > |_D Allan
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> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> > >  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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