Re: Mind's Eye The Others

You don't sound out of place here to me Bill. Gabby often does - but
this is why she is such a treasure. Meaning often dawns long after
I've read her prose.
My ideal alien will see dark matter - the term 'see' needing some
explanation in the absence of light. A key element in our thinking I
rebel against is making the future stuck in the past and present.
Turbo evolutionary minced pie!

In origin we are already alien - the elements of life were formed far
far away in the Big Bang cycle. There is something out there with the
frequency signature of bacteria. Living and travelling in space is
not practical in our current form - lack of gravity. I hate
travelling in the sense I want to be where I'm going. I suspect space
travellers would have to hibernate or possibly travel as information
that takes form at destination. If this latter is possible they may
be walking amongst us.

On 23 Oct, 07:37, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oddly Bill  I never gave them much thought,,  and since you brought up
> the topic,,  I have been doing some thinking on it..
>
> One if the things i concluded is the film makers are wrong,, for the
> simple reason is there is only one God in this universe   (actually
> any string there is only one God  and  that is the same God for all
> beings,,  I can not conceive of that God having a different set of law
> for science or beliefs..
>
> I can see them carious about us and wanting to poke and prod and we do
> the same to alien being that allegedly come her and have be captured
> for what ever reason that is how we responded ,,  but basic morality
> will be the same..  the main reason for going to space will be
> resources  and it till take eons and beyond to even begin to deplete
> them,,  tend to think that it is similar else where in the universe..
>  they will have essentially the same morality as us ,,  hopefully they
> will live to it better.
> Allan
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have almost exactly the opposite feeling about any alien species we might
> > run into.  I think alien afficionadoes here on Earth are looking for
> > Benevolent Space Brothers to bail us out of our collective trainwreck. And
> > what we're going to find, once the romance of spaceships has been stripped
> > away, is that the aliens will turn out to be people with problems, just like
> > us.  No big solutions, no cold fusion,no star trek.  Just some guys who can
> > travel a bit, but who wonder when they'll hit pay dirt and what it all
> > means.
>
> > --Bill
>
> > On 10/22/2012 10:12 AM, archytas wrote:
>
> >> I have it that passing aliens will say to themselves 'should we stop
> >> and help those poor, daft sods out'?  I suspect the reply is a groaned
> >> chorus that apes are always more trouble than they are worth.
>
> >> I think we will find life or fossils on Mars soon - maybe only of
> >> bacteria-like creatures.  There are creatures on Earth that 'breathe'
> >> sulphur rather than oxygen (or at least metabolise using the stuff -
> >> it's very like oxygen if you remember the periodic table).
> >> I wonder whether aliens will have a teenage phase - humans are the
> >> only such species on Earth.
>
> >> Current sway in physics is not to Big Bang - but rather a collision of
> >> three flat universes, so the potential vastness is 'huge'.  Science
> >> fiction is an odd genre and has almost no science in it at all.
> >> There's a planet in Alpha Centuri and possibly others - about 4.3
> >> light years distant.  One can imagine travel there with improvements
> >> in current technology - including our own genetic transformation using
> >> features of other life here to allow cryostasis.  There's a algae that
> >> cooperate by 'climbing on each others backs' in surf so that the top
> >> ones get shot into the air and then jet-stream.
>
> >> I like the idea of a man (suitably changed) or woman shooting off to
> >> 'breed' with an alien race that directly perceives dark matter.
> >> Breeding would not be the kind of thing rigsy and I might imagine in a
> >> distant alternative past involving theatre, wine, whisky and all the
> >> fun of child-rearing and 'regret'.  It might be altogether more
> >> adventurous.  Sex, by this time,  might be more directly about
> >> knowledge-sharing and a new quest for the Holy Grail.  Any ideas on
> >> wooing an intelligent arthropod Bill?
>
> >> On 22 Oct, 07:10, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> lol  Bill me thinks you are preoccupied with aliens...
> >>> Of course there are "other" species the universe is to large for it
> >>> not to occur..
>
> >>> it is more of a question of what type of space drive have they
> >>> developed..  or have the  figured out how to grasp the very fabric of
> >>> space and pull space toward themselves..  or how to travel immense
> >>> distances.. fortunately we have not.
> >>> Allan
>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> Hey, Illuminated Friends,
> >>>> I'm thinking I may have already asked this question in essence, but I'm
> >>>> rolling it out again.  It seems that I'm the high woo woo guy in this
> >>>> crowd,
> >>>> though I freely admit that everyone entertains my high woo woo ideas
> >>>> with
> >>>> all seriousness and courtesy.
> >>>> So this is the thing:  does the final game boil down to just humans and
> >>>> God
> >>>> --whatever who / that is-- or do you suppose that we share this huge
> >>>> universe --a universe positively dripping with poisonous gamma rays--
> >>>> with
> >>>> alien others?  For my own part, I'm thinking that the cosmos has cooked
> >>>> up
> >>>> numerous quasi-crustacean species on at least hundreds of thousands of
> >>>> worlds in our galaxy alone, with an additional several hundred sentient
> >>>> species for good measure. Most human beings, it seems to me, are
> >>>> basically
> >>>> good as long as they're getting their basic animal requirements met, so
> >>>> I
> >>>> also think that a few intelligent anthropoids have survived long enough
> >>>> to
> >>>> have become space-faring peoples. It is beyond me, though, why any such
> >>>> people would find us very interesting at this point in our history.
> >>>> Another
> >>>> thousand years, should we make it that long, though, and I think that
> >>>> the
> >>>> "Alien Love Fest" sequence from the end of "Close Encounters of the
> >>>> Third
> >>>> Kind" will have become reality.
> >>>> --Mad William
> >>>> --
> >>>> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> >>>>   and boy are my arms tired."
> >>>> --
>
> >>> --
> >>>   (
> >>>    )
> >>> |_D Allan
>
> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> >>>   Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > --
> > "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> >  and boy are my arms tired."
>
> > --
>
> --
>  (
>   )
> |_D Allan
>
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.

--