Re: Mind's Eye The Others

I know, that's an after effect of viewing the world through the
lemniscate. You train yourself to balance out the past and the future
to get a clear and sharp view of the present. Not practical for others
though.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:44 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> You don't sound out of place here to me Bill. Gabby often does - but
> this is why she is such a treasure. Meaning often dawns long after
> I've read her prose.
> My ideal alien will see dark matter - the term 'see' needing some
> explanation in the absence of light. A key element in our thinking I
> rebel against is making the future stuck in the past and present.
> Turbo evolutionary minced pie!
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> In origin we are already alien - the elements of life were formed far
> far away in the Big Bang cycle. There is something out there with the
> frequency signature of bacteria. Living and travelling in space is
> not practical in our current form - lack of gravity. I hate
> travelling in the sense I want to be where I'm going. I suspect space
> travellers would have to hibernate or possibly travel as information
> that takes form at destination. If this latter is possible they may
> be walking amongst us.
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> On 23 Oct, 07:37, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oddly Bill I never gave them much thought,, and since you brought up
>> the topic,, I have been doing some thinking on it..
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>> One if the things i concluded is the film makers are wrong,, for the
>> simple reason is there is only one God in this universe (actually
>> any string there is only one God and that is the same God for all
>> beings,, I can not conceive of that God having a different set of law
>> for science or beliefs..
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>> I can see them carious about us and wanting to poke and prod and we do
>> the same to alien being that allegedly come her and have be captured
>> for what ever reason that is how we responded ,, but basic morality
>> will be the same.. the main reason for going to space will be
>> resources and it till take eons and beyond to even begin to deplete
>> them,, tend to think that it is similar else where in the universe..
>> they will have essentially the same morality as us ,, hopefully they
>> will live to it better.
>> Allan
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>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I have almost exactly the opposite feeling about any alien species we might
>> > run into. I think alien afficionadoes here on Earth are looking for
>> > Benevolent Space Brothers to bail us out of our collective trainwreck. And
>> > what we're going to find, once the romance of spaceships has been stripped
>> > away, is that the aliens will turn out to be people with problems, just like
>> > us. No big solutions, no cold fusion,no star trek. Just some guys who can
>> > travel a bit, but who wonder when they'll hit pay dirt and what it all
>> > means.
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>> > --Bill
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>> > On 10/22/2012 10:12 AM, archytas wrote:
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>> >> I have it that passing aliens will say to themselves 'should we stop
>> >> and help those poor, daft sods out'? I suspect the reply is a groaned
>> >> chorus that apes are always more trouble than they are worth.
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>> >> I think we will find life or fossils on Mars soon - maybe only of
>> >> bacteria-like creatures. There are creatures on Earth that 'breathe'
>> >> sulphur rather than oxygen (or at least metabolise using the stuff -
>> >> it's very like oxygen if you remember the periodic table).
>> >> I wonder whether aliens will have a teenage phase - humans are the
>> >> only such species on Earth.
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>> >> Current sway in physics is not to Big Bang - but rather a collision of
>> >> three flat universes, so the potential vastness is 'huge'. Science
>> >> fiction is an odd genre and has almost no science in it at all.
>> >> There's a planet in Alpha Centuri and possibly others - about 4.3
>> >> light years distant. One can imagine travel there with improvements
>> >> in current technology - including our own genetic transformation using
>> >> features of other life here to allow cryostasis. There's a algae that
>> >> cooperate by 'climbing on each others backs' in surf so that the top
>> >> ones get shot into the air and then jet-stream.
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>> >> I like the idea of a man (suitably changed) or woman shooting off to
>> >> 'breed' with an alien race that directly perceives dark matter.
>> >> Breeding would not be the kind of thing rigsy and I might imagine in a
>> >> distant alternative past involving theatre, wine, whisky and all the
>> >> fun of child-rearing and 'regret'. It might be altogether more
>> >> adventurous. Sex, by this time, might be more directly about
>> >> knowledge-sharing and a new quest for the Holy Grail. Any ideas on
>> >> wooing an intelligent arthropod Bill?
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>> >> On 22 Oct, 07:10, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >>> lol Bill me thinks you are preoccupied with aliens...
>> >>> Of course there are "other" species the universe is to large for it
>> >>> not to occur..
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>> >>> it is more of a question of what type of space drive have they
>> >>> developed.. or have the figured out how to grasp the very fabric of
>> >>> space and pull space toward themselves.. or how to travel immense
>> >>> distances.. fortunately we have not.
>> >>> Allan
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>> >>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
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>> >>>> Hey, Illuminated Friends,
>> >>>> I'm thinking I may have already asked this question in essence, but I'm
>> >>>> rolling it out again. It seems that I'm the high woo woo guy in this
>> >>>> crowd,
>> >>>> though I freely admit that everyone entertains my high woo woo ideas
>> >>>> with
>> >>>> all seriousness and courtesy.
>> >>>> So this is the thing: does the final game boil down to just humans and
>> >>>> God
>> >>>> --whatever who / that is-- or do you suppose that we share this huge
>> >>>> universe --a universe positively dripping with poisonous gamma rays--
>> >>>> with
>> >>>> alien others? For my own part, I'm thinking that the cosmos has cooked
>> >>>> up
>> >>>> numerous quasi-crustacean species on at least hundreds of thousands of
>> >>>> worlds in our galaxy alone, with an additional several hundred sentient
>> >>>> species for good measure. Most human beings, it seems to me, are
>> >>>> basically
>> >>>> good as long as they're getting their basic animal requirements met, so
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> also think that a few intelligent anthropoids have survived long enough
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> have become space-faring peoples. It is beyond me, though, why any such
>> >>>> people would find us very interesting at this point in our history.
>> >>>> Another
>> >>>> thousand years, should we make it that long, though, and I think that
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> "Alien Love Fest" sequence from the end of "Close Encounters of the
>> >>>> Third
>> >>>> Kind" will have become reality.
>> >>>> --Mad William
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
>> >>>> and boy are my arms tired."
>> >>>> --
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>> >>> --
>> >>> (
>> >>> )
>> >>> |_D Allan
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>> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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>> >>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>>
>> > --
>> > "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
>> > and boy are my arms tired."
>>
>> > --
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>>
>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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> --
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