Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,,
heard WV had over a meter of snow fall that must be a bitch.
Allan

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
> You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the
> abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy had
> done his job. You have spoiled it all now!
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long
>> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the
>> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc. There was
>> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever. I got the
>> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give
>> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at
>> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer
>> terms). Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m.
>> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds. The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off
>> and a week would have bankrupted us. Flight home was delayed by an
>> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the
>> plane. Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy.
>> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work
>> scars the soul.
>> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home
>> hobbling on a blister.
>>
>> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to
>> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy
>> required to maintain an organ and so on. Our brains and even memory
>> need justification in energy terms. Much of my own interest in the
>> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these
>> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its
>> 'arms races'. My own guess for a long time has been we need to
>> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a
>> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds
>> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the
>> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of
>> jail. Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a
>> rentier class much as in the inter-war years.
>>
>> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star
>> Trek touches the fringes. We might, very un-art, start by wondering
>> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise.
>>
>> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
>>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
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>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see
>>> > God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else where.
>>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify
>>> > violating those rules.
>>> > Allan
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same
>>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out,
>>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in
>>> >> your life that makes you being different?
>>>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level
>>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with
>>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
>>>
>>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never
>>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales
>>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when
>>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have
>>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and
>>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some
>>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I
>>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.//
>>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature
>>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals.
>>>
>>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming
>>> >>>> >> from!
>>>
>>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
>>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I
>>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for
>>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true.
>>> >>>> >> > However
>>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we
>>> >>>> >> > all
>>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
>>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will
>>> >>>> >> > tell.
>>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
>>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
>>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
>>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
>>> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
>>> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts
>>> >>>> >> >> for
>>> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
>>> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little
>>> >>>> >> >> > but
>>> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be
>>> >>>> >> >> > totally
>>> >>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
>>> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come..
>>> >>>> >> >> > those
>>> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the
>>> >>>> >> >> > monotheism
>>> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man
>>> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
>>> >>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to
>>> >>>> >> >> > benefit
>>> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in
>>> >>>> >> >> > nature
>>> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
>>> >>>> >> >> > Allan
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we
>>> >>>> >> >> > > have a
>>> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we
>>> >>>> >> >> > > wish
>>> >>>> >> >> > > to
>>> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
>>> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance).
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure
>>> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is
>>> >>>> >> >> > > for
>>> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche
>>> >>>> >> >> > > in
>>> >>>> >> >> > > nature,
>>> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to
>>> >>>> >> >> > > say on
>>> >>>> >> >> > > God
>>> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the
>>> >>>> >> >> > > sense of
>>> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to
>>> >>>> >> >> > > speak.
>>> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
>>> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity
>>> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major
>>> >>>> >> >> > > advancements
>>> >>>> >> >> > > but I
>>> >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a
>>> >>>> >> >> > > 'destination
>>> >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
>>> >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it
>>> >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?!
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in
>>> >>>> >> >> > > the
>>> >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in
>>> >>>> >> >> > > our
>>> >>>> >> >> > > equations.
>>> >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> apart.. it
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> is
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> seems
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> and can
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> the
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> same
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> common
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> called
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity.
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Allan
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> things
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> about from
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> is to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> universal
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> totality
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> suppose
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> otherwise also.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> than
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> carbon
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know'
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> for
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> this
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> would
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> have
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God.
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Trying
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> hard.
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> I
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> claim
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> for his
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
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