Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see
> God as what makes up my being,, I do not see God as being else where.
> I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify
> violating those rules.
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same
>> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out,
>> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in
>> your life that makes you being different?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level
>>> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with
>>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never
>>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales
>>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when
>>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have
>>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and
>>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some
>>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I
>>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.//
>>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature
>>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming
>>>> >> from!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
>>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I
>>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for
>>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true.
>>>> >> > However
>>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we
>>>> >> > all
>>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
>>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will
>>>> >> > tell.
>>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
>>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
>>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
>>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
>>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
>>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts
>>>> >> >> for
>>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
>>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little
>>>> >> >> > but
>>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be
>>>> >> >> > totally
>>>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
>>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come..
>>>> >> >> > those
>>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the
>>>> >> >> > monotheism
>>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man
>>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
>>>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to
>>>> >> >> > benefit
>>>> >> >> > them and their goals.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in
>>>> >> >> > nature
>>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
>>>> >> >> > Allan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we
>>>> >> >> > > have a
>>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we
>>>> >> >> > > wish
>>>> >> >> > > to
>>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
>>>> >> >> > > (arrogance).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure
>>>> >> >> > > monotheism is
>>>> >> >> > > for
>>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche
>>>> >> >> > > in
>>>> >> >> > > nature,
>>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to
>>>> >> >> > > say on
>>>> >> >> > > God
>>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the
>>>> >> >> > > sense of
>>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to
>>>> >> >> > > speak.
>>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
>>>> >> >> > > homogeneity
>>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major
>>>> >> >> > > advancements
>>>> >> >> > > but I
>>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a
>>>> >> >> > > 'destination
>>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
>>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it
>>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in
>>>> >> >> > > the
>>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in
>>>> >> >> > > our
>>>> >> >> > > equations.
>>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far
>>>> >> >> > >> apart.. it
>>>> >> >> > >> is
>>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It
>>>> >> >> > >> seems
>>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link
>>>> >> >> > >> and can
>>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain
>>>> >> >> > >> the
>>>> >> >> > >> same
>>>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that
>>>> >> >> > >> common
>>>> >> >> > >> ground is available.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is
>>>> >> >> > >> called
>>>> >> >> > >> curiosity.
>>>> >> >> > >> Allan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
>>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of
>>>> >> >> > >> things
>>>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think
>>>> >> >> > >> about from
>>>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such
>>>> >> >> > >> speculation
>>>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make
>>>> >> >> > >> is to
>>>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
>>>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of
>>>> >> >> > >> universal
>>>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
>>>> >> >> > >> totality
>>>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
>>>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I
>>>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to
>>>> >> >> > >> suppose
>>>> >> >> > >> otherwise also.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality
>>>> >> >> > >> than
>>>> >> >> > >> carbon
>>>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know'
>>>> >> >> > >> for
>>>> >> >> > >> this
>>>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I
>>>> >> >> > >> would
>>>> >> >> > >> have
>>>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God.
>>>> >> >> > >> Trying
>>>> >> >> > >> to
>>>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is
>>>> >> >> > >> hard.
>>>> >> >> > >> I
>>>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
>>>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to
>>>> >> >> > >> claim
>>>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
>>>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind
>>>> >> >> > >> for his
>>>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the
>>>> >> >> > >> job
>>>> >> >> > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I
>>>> >> >> > >> wonder,
>>>> >> >> > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no
>>>> >> >> > >> idea of
>>>> >> >> > >> a
>>>> >> >> > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who
>>>> >> >> > >> hold to
>>>> >> >> > >> the
>>>> >> >> > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures
>>>> >> >> > >> we
>>>> >> >> > >> share
>>>> >> >> > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better
>>>> >> >> > >> educated
>>>> >> >> > >> guesses.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting
>>>> >> >> > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in
>>>> >> >> > >> law.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey
>>>> >> >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not
>>>> >> >> > >> be
>>>> >> >> > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and
>>>> >> >> > >> morals.
>>>> >> >> > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it,
>>>> >> >> > >> no
>>>> >> >> > >> matter
>>>> >> >> > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones
>>>> >> >> > >> who
>>>> >> >> > >> seeded
>>>> >> >> > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize
>>>> >> >> > >> our
>>>> >> >> > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next
>>>> >> >> > >> stage
>>>> >> >> > >> or
>>>> >> >> > >> let us destroy ourselves.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2,
>>>> >> >> > >> William L.
>>>> >> >> > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys.
>>>> >> >> > >> I know
>>>> >> >> > >> it
>>>> >> >> > >> seems I'm
>>>> >> >> > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're
>>>> >> >> > >> really a
>>>> >> >> > >> stand
>>>> >> >> > >> in for,
>>>> >> >> > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on
>>>> >> >> > >> Facebook
>>>> >> >> > >> and recently
>>>> >> >> > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation
>>>> >> >> > >> we
>>>> >> >> > >> had
>>>> >> >> > >> going on here
>>>> >> >> > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or
>>>> >> >> > >> might
>>>> >> >> > >> not
>>>> >> >> > >> want from
>>>> >> >> > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here:
>>>> >> >> > >> that
>>>> >> >> > >> said
>>>> >> >> > >> aliens will
>>>> >> >> > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we
>>>> >> >> > >> are, and
>>>> >> >> > >> are probably
>>>> >> >> > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's
>>>> >> >> > >> mysteries,
>>>> >> >> > >> or
>>>> >> >> > >> even make a
>>>> >> >> > >> good cocktail.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >> > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also
>>>> >> >> > >> very
>>>> >> >> > >> bitchy,
>>>> >> >> > >> put forth
>>>> >> >> > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep
>>>> >> >> > >> our
>>>> >> >> > >> heads
>>>> >> >> > >> down low,
>>>> >> >> > >> because history tells us that when a more
>>>> >> >> > >> technologically
>>>> >> >> > >> advanced
>>>> >> >> > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are
>>>> >> >> > >> usually
>>>> >> >> > >> horrible for
>>>> >> >> > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to
>>>> >> >> > >> be the
>>>> >> >> > >> pattern in
>>>> >> >> > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage
>>>> >> >> > >> to
>>>> >> >> > >> break
>>>> >> >> > >> the
>>>> >> >> > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things
>>>> >> >> > >> to do
>>>> >> >> > >> than enslave 7
>>>> >> >> > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much.
>>>> >> >> > >> Their
>>>> >> >> > >> energy problems,
>>>> >> >> > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such
>>>> >> >> > >> an
>>>> >> >> > >> extent
>>>> >> >> > >> that they
>>>> >>
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