Re: Mind's Eye Re: Life

There is a matter of the intensity of the senses and the level of
intelligence , but , my friend , crows are beings and not machines -
ah , robots.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahhhh RP! You don't change at all sir do you.
>
> There are of course many, many people and soooo much literature that
> disagrees with your wishy washyness here. So much of it in fact that I
> don't even feel the need to defend my stance at all. So let me just finish
> by asking you two questions.
>
> Are crows conscious?
>
> Is a crows consciousness the same as a humans?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:08:51 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> That which exist is Being , and consciousness does't have levels but
>> parameters -- sound , sight , etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The we disagree again RP. Unless you and I have differing concepts on
>> > what
>> > consciousness is? My cats are conscious, would they have an
>> > understanding
>> > of God as a human does? I suspect not, but they are surely conscious
>> > creatures. It may be that I infer I am currently in discourse with
>> > another
>> > conscious entity, but I'd rather say it is empirically correct that I am
>> > doing so rather than it is an inference that I can make. After all are
>> > we
>> > not members of the same species? Without being too general, I think
>> > such
>> > inferences that I can make about myself as a human must also hold true
>> > for
>> > other humans. I must breathe to live, so can I infer that others of my
>> > species must also do the same, or can I claim knowledge that it is true?
>> >
>> > I get what you mean of course, I can ever only really say I think,
>> > therefore
>> > I am. However when an inference takes place day in and day out, I think
>> > it
>> > better to regard such 'truth' as knowledge. Thus I know you are
>> > conscious,
>> > as you are human, and I know I am conscious. My cats show all the signs
>> > of
>> > being conscious and indeed as you would expect of conscious beings. the
>> > both exhibit different attitudes and personalities.
>> >
>> > So once again we are back to the following two questions. What do you
>> > mean
>> > by 'being', and at what level of 'consciousness' does this proof of
>> > yours
>> > need to be, to be proof?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:20:34 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As far as a person is concerned , there is only one consciousness ,
>> >> that is , his. Others are inferred, as also the existence of god.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Meh! I know plankton exist, is it conscious, or would you not call it
>> >> > a
>> >> > being? Or perhaps we can discuss levels of consciousness? Nope I
>> >> > can't
>> >> > get
>> >> > with this argument RP, far too many holes in it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sunday, 23 September 2012 15:20:45 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Conscious beings are a proof of God because otherwise an unconscious
>> >> >> Being
>> >> >> could not be said to exist. Existence is the seed which finds its
>> >> >> growth in
>> >> >> life.
>> >> >
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