There are of course many, many people and soooo much literature that disagrees with your wishy washyness here. So much of it in fact that I don't even feel the need to defend my stance at all. So let me just finish by asking you two questions.
Are crows conscious?
Is a crows consciousness the same as a humans?
On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:08:51 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
That which exist is Being , and consciousness does't have levels but
parameters -- sound , sight , etc.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The we disagree again RP. Unless you and I have differing concepts on what
> consciousness is? My cats are conscious, would they have an understanding
> of God as a human does? I suspect not, but they are surely conscious
> creatures. It may be that I infer I am currently in discourse with another
> conscious entity, but I'd rather say it is empirically correct that I am
> doing so rather than it is an inference that I can make. After all are we
> not members of the same species? Without being too general, I think such
> inferences that I can make about myself as a human must also hold true for
> other humans. I must breathe to live, so can I infer that others of my
> species must also do the same, or can I claim knowledge that it is true?
>
> I get what you mean of course, I can ever only really say I think, therefore
> I am. However when an inference takes place day in and day out, I think it
> better to regard such 'truth' as knowledge. Thus I know you are conscious,
> as you are human, and I know I am conscious. My cats show all the signs of
> being conscious and indeed as you would expect of conscious beings. the
> both exhibit different attitudes and personalities.
>
> So once again we are back to the following two questions. What do you mean
> by 'being', and at what level of 'consciousness' does this proof of yours
> need to be, to be proof?
>
>
> On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:20:34 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> As far as a person is concerned , there is only one consciousness ,
>> that is , his. Others are inferred, as also the existence of god.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Meh! I know plankton exist, is it conscious, or would you not call it a
>> > being? Or perhaps we can discuss levels of consciousness? Nope I can't
>> > get
>> > with this argument RP, far too many holes in it.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, 23 September 2012 15:20:45 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Conscious beings are a proof of God because otherwise an unconscious
>> >> Being
>> >> could not be said to exist. Existence is the seed which finds its
>> >> growth in
>> >> life.
>> >
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