Re: Mind's Eye thought experiments

Worldwide "community" may now belong to the mobile phone. I was
spellbound watching Michael Saylor discuss the future of just about
everything on "Charlie Rose" last night. His book is "The Mobile
Wave". Being naturally out of sync, I consider mobiles a pest or a dog
leash. Maybe you can download the video...on your mobile! :-)

On Oct 18, 1:16 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well from what I am seeing is amarican prisons are 'hell'  and the
> other thing is there are a lot of people there on the flimsiness of
> evidence and no real proof of the crime...   unless you commit a white
> collar crime then it is country club time.
>
> Even though religion has really fallen out of date in ways  they need
> to do is update beliefs ,,, as for rituals and ceremonies it is how
> you really build community.. The Banksters and Lawsters really do not
> want the churches to have any power as it interfers with they pillage
> of society   and churches are the one orginzation that can reign them
> in in..
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:26 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Do humans need rituals and ceremonies in your opinion? I think I
> > remember Joseph Campbell saying they were necessary. Are they or have
> > we transformed them in the modern era? Were they instituted as a way
> > of belonging? Have we lost or gained? Will civil organizations have
> > the same power as religious/ethical? Is a civil prison hell, purgatory
> > or limbo? Do you know the USA has the highest number of prisons/
> > prisoners in the world? (At least a few years ago.)
>
> > On Oct 16, 12:45 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Agree entirely, Rigs !
>
> >> The " your-God - my-God " argument ... and "God power" ... ** sigh ***
>
> >> I believe, Jethro Tull says much of what I feel in : *"My God"*
>
> >> People -- what have you done --
> >> locked Him in His golden cage.
> >> Made Him bend to your religion --
> >> Him resurrected from the grave.
>
> >> He is the god of nothing --
> >> if that's all that you can see.
>
> >> You are the god of everything --
> >> He's inside you and me.
>
> >> So lean upon Him gently
> >> and don't call on Him to save you
> >> from your social graces
> >> and the sins you used to waive.
> >> The bloody Church of England --
> >> in chains of history --
> >> requests your earthly presence at
> >> the vicarage for tea.
>
> >> And the graven image you-know-who --
> >> with His plastic crucifix --
> >> he's got him fixed --
> >> confuses me as to who and where and why --
> >> as to how he gets his kicks.
>
> >> Confessing to the endless sin --
> >> the endless whining sounds.
> >> You'll be praying till next Thursday to
> >> all the gods that you can count.
>
> >> On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:01:47 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >> > "God powers" might also be a way of saying possession of grace in a
> >> > religious sense. Not sure what race has to do with this as we humans
> >> > arrive with the same form- what separates us is equity in several
> >> > ways. Political structure is a matter of timing and luck plus picking
> >> > the right side/group for the most part if you insist humans are
> >> > political by nature. I think there are agreed principals of ethical
> >> > behavior- universals- murked up with particulars. There is also a
> >> > recognition of evil as a force to contend with- internal and external.
>
> >> > On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > I'll pick up the stone
> >> > > (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/reasons-matter-when-i...)
>
> >> > > and argue that I cannot know if your Gods are false or not. Not
> >> > > because I am not a religious man, or a black man, or a political man,
> >> > > but because I am an individual and thereby only possess restrained
> >> > > demonstrable God powers myself.
>
> >> > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > All Gods that religious men speak about, brandish shall we say, are
> >> > false.
>
> >> > > > The one distributing those "commandments" included.
>
> >> > > > Which is not what I would say about individuals who take initiatives
> >> > to
> >> > > > restrict people from moral turpitude and unethical conduct.
>
> >> > > > On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:01:46 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> >> > > >> doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods?
> >> > > >> Allan
>
> >> > > >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> > Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit.
>
> >> > > >> > Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few
> >> > words
> >> > > >> > in your paragraph. :-)
>
> >> > > >> > On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> >> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and her
> >> > > >> >> family
> >> > > >> >> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, shout,
> >> > > >> >> request,
> >> > > >> >> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it acrually
> >> > turns
> >> > > >> >> to
> >> > > >> >> be a happy interlude .
>
> >> > > >> >> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic effects of
> >> > > >> >> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their
> >> > adherents too
> >> > > >> >> to
> >> > > >> >> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame of
> >> > clerics
> >> > > >> >> and
> >> > > >> >> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered with
> >> > very
> >> > > >> >> beguiling but false promise of freedom.
>
> >> > > >> >> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >> > > >> >> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have the
> >> > same
> >> > > >> >> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I
> >> > think
> >> > > >> >> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion and
> >> > one
> >> > > >> >> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors.
> >> > Anyway,
> >> > > >> >> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my
> >> > morning
> >> > > >> >> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come for
> >> > the
> >> > > >> >> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent of
> >> > a
> >> > > >> >> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were
> >> > slightly
> >> > > >> >> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the kitchen
> >> > for
> >> > > >> >> > a
> >> > > >> >> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those small
> >> > coffee
> >> > > >> >> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to rev up
> >> > the
> >> > > >> >> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a good
> >> > idea
> >> > > >> >> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine
> >> > confession.) On
> >> > > >> >> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for a
> >> > new
> >> > > >> >> > lawn/
> >> > > >> >> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol
>
> >> > > >> >> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> >> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums *
>
> >> > > >> >> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to much
> >> > that
> >> > > >> >> > > is
> >> > > >> >> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and non-material
> >> > ...
> >> > > >> >> > beauty,
> >> > > >> >> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc.
>
> >> > > >> >> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have several
> >> > others.
>
> >> > > >> >> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But
> >> > everytime it
> >> > > >> >> > > has
> >> > > >> >> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, mankind
> >> > has
> >> > > >> >> > > struck a
> >> > > >> >> > > blow at its own foot !
>
> >> > > >> >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and
> >> > inventions
> >> > > >> >> > > > which
> >> > > >> >> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere stepping
> >> > stones
> >> > > >> >> > > > to a
> >> > > >> >> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and
> >> > advances
> >> > > >> >> > > > for the
> >> > > >> >> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was because
> >> > he
> >> > > >> >> > > > stepped
> >> > > >> >> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are more
> >> > open
> >> > > >> >> > > > to
> >> > > >> >> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs versus
> >> > > >> >> > > > demonstrable facts.
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> >> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest !
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-)
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been
> >> > programmed
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > to
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some
> >> > humans
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > for
> >> > > >> >> > > > specific
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... "
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man,
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > programmed
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man on
> >> > the
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > planet !
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30,
> >> > rigsy03
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter
> >> > the
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > honey
> >> > > >> >> > bee
> >> > > >> >> > > > as a
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination.
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > Species
> >> > > >> >> > pick
> >> > > >> >> > > > up
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > dedicated-
> >> > > >> >> > > > patterns
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating
> >> > worth
> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > with
> >> > > >> >> > money/
>
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