It is better a millstone be tied around their neck and be thrown into the sea... Or some thing like that.
They are to busy worshiping their gods of wealth and power to pay attention to the date of their souls.
Allan
Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly
On Oct 15, 2012 10:36 AM, "Vam" <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
-- All Gods that religious men speak about, brandish shall we say, are false.The one distributing those "commandments" included.Which is not what I would say about individuals who take initiatives to restrict people from moral turpitude and unethical conduct.--
On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:01:46 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods?
Allan
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit.
>
> Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few words
> in your paragraph. :-)
>
> On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and her family
>> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, shout, request,
>> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it acrually turns to
>> be a happy interlude .
>>
>> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic effects of
>> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their adherents too to
>> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame of clerics and
>> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered with very
>> beguiling but false promise of freedom.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have the same
>> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I think
>> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion and one
>> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors. Anyway,
>> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my morning
>> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come for the
>> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent of a
>> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were slightly
>> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the kitchen for a
>> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those small coffee
>> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to rev up the
>> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a good idea
>> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine confession.) On
>> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for a new lawn/
>> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol
>>
>> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums *
>>
>> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to much that is
>> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and non-material ...
>> > beauty,
>> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc.
>>
>> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have several others.
>>
>> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But everytime it has
>> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, mankind has struck a
>> > > blow at its own foot !
>>
>> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and inventions which
>> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere stepping stones to a
>> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and advances for the
>> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was because he stepped
>> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are more open to
>> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs versus
>> > > > demonstrable facts.
>>
>> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest !
>>
>> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-)
>>
>> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed to
>> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for
>> > > > specific
>> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... "
>>
>> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man,
>>
>> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been programmed
>>
>> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man on the planet !
>>
>> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter the honey
>> > bee
>> > > > as a
>> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination. Species
>> > pick
>> > > > up
>> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more dedicated-
>> > > > patterns
>> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating worth with
>> > money/
>> > > > > > > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have been
>> > programmed
>> > > > to
>> > > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for
>> > > > specific
>> > > > > > > > acts or purposes but still short of general intelligence,
>> > insight
>> > > > and
>> > > > > > > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey" except the
>> > final
>> > > > > > > > chapter is death and certain goals were not realized or
>> > possible.
>> > > > Hard
>> > > > > > > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth. The 12
>> > year
>> > > > old
>> > > > > > > > across the street has arthritis and started some exercise for
>> > > > > > > > violinists.
>>
>> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > The archaeological evidence is that such things as the move
>> > to
>> > > > > > farming
>> > > > > > > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the human lot for
>> > those
>> > > > who
>> > > > > > > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the work). The
>> > obvious
>> > > > > > issue
>> > > > > > > > > for present society concerns the dubious status of our work
>> > and
>> > > > > > life-
>> > > > > > > > > style ideologies. Slave-making ants kill the adults in
>> > their
>> > > > host
>> > > > > > > > > ants and steal the 'eggs' in order to steal the work as they
>> > > > become
>> > > > > > > > > adult by making them raise their own brood. Even in
>> > enslaved
>> > > > ant
>> > > > > > > > > consciousness something inspires 'rebellion' and 'duty' to
>> > the
>> > > > wider
>> > > > > > > > > collective. Humans have a sad history of enslavement and
>> > debt
>> > > > > > > > > peonage.
>> > > > > > > > > Undergraduates can be heard every year bemoaning salaries on
>> > > > offer
>> > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > 'all their hard work' - few of them have done any! The
>> > Chinese
>> > > > > > refer
>> > > > > > > > > to their graduates who don't get the good jobs as 'Ant
>> > People'.
>> > > > > > Some
>> > > > > > > > > of my old colleagues inside technological manufacturing used
>> > to
>> > > > note
>> > > > > > > > > the need for workers was disappearing faster than most knew
>> > as
>> > > > work
>> > > > > > > > > and skill is embodied in technology (an old marxist theme).
>> > My
>> > > > own
>> > > > > > > > > feeling is that we have killed off much valuable stuff that
>> > > > James
>> > > > > > > > > suggests through the ejukation system - falsely imagining
>> > > > subjects
>> > > > > > > > > designed in our dubious past teach anything other than
>> > control
>> > > > > > fraud.
>> > > > > > > > > Even medical training involves a lot of unnecessary rot.
>> > > > > > > > > Some of us think machines are better at 'thinking' than most
>> > > > people
>> > > > > > > > > (soon Gabby will be made redundant from her Gad-fly role
>> > once I
>> > > > > > clear
>> > > > > > > > > up a few teething problems with the bots!), partly because
>> > no
>> > > > human
>> > > > > > > > > can encompass the data loads. Allan and I share problems
>> > with
>> > > > our
>> > > > > > > > > 'flash memory' - buzz, ping, PTSD etc. - (it's my time of
>> > year
>> > > > to
>> > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > flash-backs to Northern Ireland) - getting old is lousy -
>> > soon
>> > > > my
>> > > > > > > > > friendly solid state world will move from Enlightenment to
>> > > > > > > > > Entanglement as I stroke Schrodinger's cat. We have now
>> > done
>> > > > this
>> > > > > > > > > experimentally with some tinkering.
>> > > > > > > > > Memory is increasingly viewed as about our ability to
>> > predict
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > future - that is its purpose is for this. We find it in
>> > > > non-human
>> > > > > > > > > life-forms too. This is related to a general science-view
>> > of
>> > > > why a
>> > > > > > > > > system would invest in the resources to have memory at all.
>> > > > I'll
>> > > > > > > > > leave this babble with the question 'where do the Spartacus
>> > ants
>> > > > > > > > > raised by the slavers get the memories that inspire
>> > rebellion'?
>>
>> > > > > > > > > On 6 Oct, 19:50, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > > > > From another perspective one might like to appreciate the
>> > > > role
>> > > > > > (or a
>> > > > > > > > > > role) of life as within an integral spectrum. If there is
>> > a
>> > > > world
>> > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > > > meaning beyond our conceptions it would present a
>> > challenge to
>> > > > > > > > undertake
>> > > > > > > > > > exploration and discovery. Regardless of conception or
>> > outside
>> > > > our
>> > > > > > > > > > capacity we might be bound by greater rules in nature.
>> > These
>> > > > are
>> > > > > > > > > > questions I think that arise when the suspicion of being
>> > led
>> > > > > > becomes
>> > > > > > > > too
>> > > > > > > > > > great to ignore, fear has a corrupting influence on that
>> > as
>> > > > does
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > diverse symbols at our disposal provided by language,
>> > > > corrupting
>> > > > > > as in
>> > > > > > > > > > coloring and distorting. But the tools of identity, shared
>> > > > > > language
>> > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > > meanings can facilitate discovery. Internal motives can
>> > > > present a
>> > > > > > > > > > struggle for a clear picture, and yet without them what
>> > > > impetus
>> > > > > > would
>> > > > > > > > > > there be? Context is amazingly significant, the when and
>> > > > where,
>> > > > > > I've
>> > > > > > > > > > found. That is in part a few features of what I am
>> > exploring
>> > > > > > > > currently,
>> > > > > > > > > > among the jumble. This can be intimate stuff, thanks for
>> > > > sharing
>> > > > > > what
>> > > > > > > > > > you gather. :)
>>
>> > > > > > > > > > On 10/5/2012 4:25 AM, Allan H wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > Lately I have been trying to get out of this physical
>> > > > concept of
>>
>> ...
>>
>> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> --
>
>
>
--
(
)
|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
0 comentários:
Postar um comentário