Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange
snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and
interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often
surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished
business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer
via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems
to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some
sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of
their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some
worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day
dreams.

On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of
> our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage
> that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight
> and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our
> recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not
> surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that
> they share so many processes.
> I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may:
> 1 - have seen a UFO
> 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated
> 3 - be making up the story (no accusations)
>
> Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin.
> There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people
> who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual
> abuse).  My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after
> some nasty stuff.  It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew
> off to the stars.  Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid
> under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange
> snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove
> puppet.  I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch
> shell casing and really broke a floorboard.  The glove puppet was my
> old dog (Arthur).  I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom
> window with some intent to fly.  I have had nightmares ever since at
> this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously
> connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain.
>
> Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system.  I know of
> no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live.
>
> On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi James!
>
> > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too.  You remind
> > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the
> > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration.  OF
> > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors.
>
> > As for me, I don't really know where I stand.  As I noted in one of my
> > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't
> > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary
> > event.  But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
> > the Galaxy",  I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff,
> > not to put too fine a point on it.  Even so, I tend to see those things
> > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are
> > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources
> > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and
> > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the
> > heart, or in the head?"
>
> > --Bill
>
> > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote:
>
> > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but
> > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't
> > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as
> > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out
> > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity.
>
> > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now,
> > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species
> > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be
> > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need
> > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab
> > > bushmen and keep a low profile?
>
> > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species
> > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally
> > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might
> > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach,
> > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other
> > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but
> > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve
> > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and
> > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just
> > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or
> > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh
>
> > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote:
>
> > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
> > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
> > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
> > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
> > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
> > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.
>
> > >> --Bill
>
> > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
> > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
> > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
> > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
> > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
> > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
> > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
> > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
> > >>> door.
> > >>> Allan
>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have
> > >>>> long
> > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
> > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still
> > >>>> interested in
> > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular,
> > >>>> I'm
> > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing
> > >>>> with?
> > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and
> > >>>> Nordics
> > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
> > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species,
> > >>>> having
> > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
> > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in
> > >>>> these
> > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
> > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
> > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than
> > >>>> ennobled by
> > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original
> > >>>> parents of
> > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their
> > >>>> post-abduction
> > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee,
> > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread,
> > >>>> compares this
> > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies.
>
> > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but
> > >>>> something
> > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least
> > >>>> speculate, on
> > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences,
> > >>>> dressed
> > >>>> up in Star Trek costume?
>
> > >>>> --Bill
>
> > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
> > >>>>> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I
> > >>>>> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this
> > >>>>> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a
> > >>>>> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily
> > >>>>> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past.
> > >>>>> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until
> > >>>>> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not
> > >>>>> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous
> > >>>>> millions.
>
> > >>>>> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has
> > >>>>>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even
> > >>>>>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in
> > >>>>>> retro to
> > >>>>>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich
> > >>>>>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and
> > >>>>>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended
> > >>>>>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making
> > >>>>>> sense
> > >>>>>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to
> > >>>>>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised
> > >>>>>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking
> > >>>>>> when
> > >>>>>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we
> > >>>>>> see
> > >>>>>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions.
>
> > >>>>>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather
> > >>>>>>> they
> > >>>>>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them
> > >>>>>>> from
> > >>>>>>> learning to think for themselves.
> > >>>>>>> Allan
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of
> > >>>>>>>> public
> > >>>>>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future
> > >>>>>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are
> > >>>>>>>> sick
> > >>>>>>>> of the cultural garbage.
> > >>>>>>>> On Oct
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