Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

The Crown had lost its head...I try to avoid Cromwell- some sort of
visceral dislike/fear. Swift was a master of rebuke. I think mostly of
the 19th and 20th centuries- Home Rule- the various characters
including Churchill's father- the "troubles". Besides the religious
issues, it was also a trade contest for influence. I suppose I was
drawn via Wilde, Yeats and Joyce.

On Oct 11, 12:59 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know Rigsy  they are just a house of snakes up there,,  the english
> invasion of Ireland they were trying to blame on the Dutch..   it was
> Cromwell's reward  by the english crown,,
> Still a bunch of snakes just like thier name sakes
> Allan
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> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:55 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The Protestants of Northern Ireland are also known as Orangemen.
>
> > On Oct 10, 7:22 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Nah orange is the Netherlands,,,   comes from the house of orange..
> >> and yes the royal family like all royal families are houses of
> >> snakes..
>
> >> Yes dream wizard in place;  need regular reports  so we can fix the errors  lol
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange
> >> > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and
> >> > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often
> >> > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished
> >> > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer
> >> > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems
> >> > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some
> >> > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of
> >> > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some
> >> > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day
> >> > dreams.
>
> >> > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of
> >> >> our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage
> >> >> that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight
> >> >> and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our
> >> >> recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not
> >> >> surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that
> >> >> they share so many processes.
> >> >> I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may:
> >> >> 1 - have seen a UFO
> >> >> 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated
> >> >> 3 - be making up the story (no accusations)
>
> >> >> Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin.
> >> >> There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people
> >> >> who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual
> >> >> abuse).  My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after
> >> >> some nasty stuff.  It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew
> >> >> off to the stars.  Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid
> >> >> under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange
> >> >> snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove
> >> >> puppet.  I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch
> >> >> shell casing and really broke a floorboard.  The glove puppet was my
> >> >> old dog (Arthur).  I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom
> >> >> window with some intent to fly.  I have had nightmares ever since at
> >> >> this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously
> >> >> connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain.
>
> >> >> Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system.  I know of
> >> >> no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live.
>
> >> >> On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Hi James!
>
> >> >> > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too.  You remind
> >> >> > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the
> >> >> > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration.  OF
> >> >> > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors.
>
> >> >> > As for me, I don't really know where I stand.  As I noted in one of my
> >> >> > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't
> >> >> > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary
> >> >> > event.  But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
> >> >> > the Galaxy",  I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff,
> >> >> > not to put too fine a point on it.  Even so, I tend to see those things
> >> >> > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are
> >> >> > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources
> >> >> > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and
> >> >> > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the
> >> >> > heart, or in the head?"
>
> >> >> > --Bill
>
> >> >> > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote:
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> >> >> > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but
> >> >> > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't
> >> >> > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as
> >> >> > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out
> >> >> > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity.
>
> >> >> > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now,
> >> >> > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species
> >> >> > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be
> >> >> > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need
> >> >> > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab
> >> >> > > bushmen and keep a low profile?
>
> >> >> > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species
> >> >> > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally
> >> >> > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might
> >> >> > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach,
> >> >> > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other
> >> >> > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but
> >> >> > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve
> >> >> > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and
> >> >> > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just
> >> >> > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or
> >> >> > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh
>
> >> >> > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote:
>
> >> >> > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
> >> >> > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
> >> >> > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
> >> >> > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
> >> >> > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
> >> >> > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.
>
> >> >> > >> --Bill
>
> >> >> > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
> >> >> > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
> >> >> > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
> >> >> > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
> >> >> > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
> >> >> > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
> >> >> > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
> >> >> > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
> >> >> > >>> door.
> >> >> > >>> Allan
>
> >> >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > >>> wrote:
>
> >> >> > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have
> >> >> > >>>> long
> >> >> > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
> >> >> > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still
> >> >> > >>>> interested in
> >> >> > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular,
> >> >> > >>>> I'm
> >> >> > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing
> >> >> > >>>> with?
> >> >> > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and
> >> >> > >>>> Nordics
> >> >> > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
> >> >> > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species,
> >> >> > >>>> having
> >> >> > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
> >> >> > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in
> >> >> > >>>> these
> >> >> > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
> >> >> > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
> >> >> > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than
> >> >> > >>>> ennobled by
> >> >> > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original
> >> >> > >>>> parents of
> >> >> > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their
> >> >> > >>>> post-abduction
> >> >> > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee,
> >> >> > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread,
> >> >> > >>>> compares this
> >> >> > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies.
>
> >> >> > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but
> >> >> > >>>> something
> >> >> > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least
> >> >> > >>>> speculate, on
> >> >> > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences,
> >> >> > >>>> dressed
> >> >> > >>>> up in Star Trek costume?
>
> >> >> > >>>> --Bill
>
> >> >> > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
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