Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

Nah orange is the Netherlands,,, comes from the house of orange..
and yes the royal family like all royal families are houses of
snakes..

Yes dream wizard in place; need regular reports so we can fix the errors lol
Allan

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange
> snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and
> interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often
> surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished
> business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer
> via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems
> to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some
> sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of
> their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some
> worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day
> dreams.
>
> On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of
>> our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage
>> that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight
>> and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our
>> recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not
>> surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that
>> they share so many processes.
>> I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may:
>> 1 - have seen a UFO
>> 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated
>> 3 - be making up the story (no accusations)
>>
>> Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin.
>> There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people
>> who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual
>> abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after
>> some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew
>> off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid
>> under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange
>> snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove
>> puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch
>> shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my
>> old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom
>> window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at
>> this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously
>> connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain.
>>
>> Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of
>> no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live.
>>
>> On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi James!
>>
>> > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You remind
>> > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the
>> > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF
>> > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors.
>>
>> > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of my
>> > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't
>> > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary
>> > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
>> > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff,
>> > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those things
>> > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are
>> > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources
>> > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and
>> > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the
>> > heart, or in the head?"
>>
>> > --Bill
>>
>> > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote:
>>
>> > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but
>> > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't
>> > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as
>> > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out
>> > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity.
>>
>> > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now,
>> > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species
>> > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be
>> > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need
>> > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab
>> > > bushmen and keep a low profile?
>>
>> > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species
>> > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally
>> > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might
>> > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach,
>> > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other
>> > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but
>> > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve
>> > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and
>> > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just
>> > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or
>> > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh
>>
>> > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote:
>>
>> > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
>> > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
>> > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
>> > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
>> > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
>> > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.
>>
>> > >> --Bill
>>
>> > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
>> > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
>> > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
>> > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
>> > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
>> > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
>> > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
>> > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
>> > >>> door.
>> > >>> Allan
>>
>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have
>> > >>>> long
>> > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
>> > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still
>> > >>>> interested in
>> > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular,
>> > >>>> I'm
>> > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing
>> > >>>> with?
>> > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and
>> > >>>> Nordics
>> > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
>> > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species,
>> > >>>> having
>> > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
>> > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in
>> > >>>> these
>> > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
>> > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
>> > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than
>> > >>>> ennobled by
>> > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original
>> > >>>> parents of
>> > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their
>> > >>>> post-abduction
>> > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee,
>> > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread,
>> > >>>> compares this
>> > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies.
>>
>> > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but
>> > >>>> something
>> > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least
>> > >>>> speculate, on
>> > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences,
>> > >>>> dressed
>> > >>>> up in Star Trek costume?
>>
>> > >>>> --Bill
>>
>> > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>> > >>>>> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I
>> > >>>>> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this
>> > >>>>> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a
>> > >>>>> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily
>> > >>>>> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past.
>> > >>>>> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until
>> > >>>>> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not
>> > >>>>> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous
>> > >>>>> millions.
>>
>> > >>>>> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has
>> > >>>>>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even
>> > >>>>>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in
>> > >>>>>> retro to
>> > >>>>>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich
>> > >>>>>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and
>> > >>>>>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended
>> > >>>>>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making
>> > >>>>>> sense
>> > >>>>>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to
>> > >>>>>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised
>> > >>>>>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking
>> > >>>>>> when
>> > >>>>>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we
>> > >>>>>> see
>> > >>>>>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions.
>>
>> > >>>>>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather
>> > >>>>>>> they
>> > >>>>>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them
>> > >>>>>>> from
>> > >>>>>>> learning to think for themselves.
>> > >>>>>>> Allan
>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of
>> > >>>>>>>> public
>> > >>>>>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future
>> > >>>>>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are
>> > >>>>>>>> sick
>> > >>>>>>>> of the cultural garbage.
>> > >>>>>>>> On Oct
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