Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

Yes I read the article or at least part of it and its elastic
properties have my mind bouncing around;;
sorry couldn't resist..

I once worked for a mathematician he created formulas and we were
talking about some of them in general the one comment I remember most
was "I have no idea of what it is about it just works out.." .. after
knowing him i got the feeling that there are formulas that can do the
impossible,, but you first have to figure out what you are looking
at.
deep in the archives of mathematics lies the formula that will exceed
the speed of light.. they just don't know what it does yet.
Allan

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:39 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> The literature is legion and intriguingly hard to access. This is the
> abstract of one paper:
>
> People sometimes fantasize entire complex scenarios and later define
> these experiences as memories of actual events rather than as
> imaginings. This article examines research associated with three such
> phenomena: past-life experiences, UFO alien contact and abduction, and
> memory reports of childhood ritual Satanic abuse. In each case,
> elicitation of the fantasy events is frequently associated with
> hypnotic procedures and structured interviews which provide strong and
> repeated demands for the requisite experiences, and which then
> legitimate the experiences as "real memories." Research associated
> with these phenomena supports the hypothesis that recall is
> reconstructive and organized in terms of current expectations and
> beliefs.
>
> There were green snakes in my dreams too (the other side rigs!). The
> Dutch were the 'Germans' of the 16th and 17th centuries Allan - as in
> the phrase 'the Devil shits Dutchmen'. The population of Ireland was
> once 12 million. My own solution to the troubles was to resettle the
> Jews or Hong Kong Chinese in the place. One old meat-packing town in
> the South is full of Brazilians.
>
> On 12 Oct, 19:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maths research in the prestigious Proceedings of the Royal Society A -
>> 'Einstein's special relativity beyond the speed of light'. The
>> formulas extend special relativity to a situation where the relative
>> velocity can be infinite, and can be used to describe motion at speeds
>> faster than light.
>> The paper doesn't try and explain how this could be achieved, just how
>> equations of motion might operate in such regimes. Reference:James M.
>> Hill and Barry J. Cox, Einstein's special relativity beyond the speed
>> of light, Proceedings of the Royal Society A, 2012, DOI: 10.1098/rspa.
>> 2012.0340
>>
>> Academic experience can be debilitating in the sense one always finds
>> huge amounts of stuff has already been said and published on almost
>> anything one might turn one's attention to. Students rarely access
>> this material and lots of it is puerile. It's hard to encourage
>> thinking when one knows the ideas are mostly all already in print.
>> The question for me is how we can get into different debate and feel
>> our lives and thoughts have value. The Kantian sublime contains
>> something of the 'of mice and men' and the possibility it's not all
>> farce.
>>
>> Thanks for the compliment rigsy. I think many lives would be more
>> interesting if we could free ourselves of all the dull 'beautiful
>> lies' and dream more. I doubt one can approach any subject with full
>> foundational knowledge now - indeed some science is so complex the
>> only things that 'understand' it are the machines doing it. Their
>> will be academic work on UFOs. I'll have a quick look and report
>> back.
>>
>> Posted at 07:20 AM | Permalink
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>> On 10 Oct, 13:07, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange
>> > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and
>> > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often
>> > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished
>> > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer
>> > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems
>> > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some
>> > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of
>> > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some
>> > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day
>> > dreams.
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>> > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > > Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of
>> > > our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage
>> > > that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight
>> > > and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our
>> > > recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not
>> > > surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that
>> > > they share so many processes.
>> > > I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may:
>> > > 1 - have seen a UFO
>> > > 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated
>> > > 3 - be making up the story (no accusations)
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>> > > Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin.
>> > > There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people
>> > > who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual
>> > > abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after
>> > > some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew
>> > > off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid
>> > > under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange
>> > > snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove
>> > > puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch
>> > > shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my
>> > > old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom
>> > > window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at
>> > > this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously
>> > > connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain.
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>> > > Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of
>> > > no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live.
>>
>> > > On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Hi James!
>>
>> > > > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You remind
>> > > > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the
>> > > > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF
>> > > > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors.
>>
>> > > > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of my
>> > > > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't
>> > > > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary
>> > > > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
>> > > > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff,
>> > > > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those things
>> > > > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are
>> > > > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources
>> > > > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and
>> > > > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the
>> > > > heart, or in the head?"
>>
>> > > > --Bill
>>
>> > > > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote:
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>> > > > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but
>> > > > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't
>> > > > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as
>> > > > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out
>> > > > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity.
>>
>> > > > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now,
>> > > > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species
>> > > > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be
>> > > > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need
>> > > > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab
>> > > > > bushmen and keep a low profile?
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>> > > > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species
>> > > > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally
>> > > > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might
>> > > > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach,
>> > > > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other
>> > > > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but
>> > > > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve
>> > > > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and
>> > > > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just
>> > > > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or
>> > > > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh
>>
>> > > > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote:
>>
>> > > > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
>> > > > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
>> > > > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
>> > > > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
>> > > > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
>> > > > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.
>>
>> > > > >> --Bill
>>
>> > > > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
>> > > > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
>> > > > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
>> > > > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
>> > > > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
>> > > > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
>> > > > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
>> > > > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
>> > > > >>> door.
>> > > > >>> Allan
>>
>> > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >>> wrote:
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>> > > > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have
>> > > > >>>> long
>> > > > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
>> > > > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still
>> > > > >>>> interested in
>> > > > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular,
>> > > > >>>> I'm
>> > > > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing
>> > > > >>>> with?
>> > > > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and
>> > > > >>>> Nordics
>> > > > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
>> > > > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species,
>> > > > >>>> having
>> > > > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
>> > > > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in
>> > > > >>>> these
>> > > > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
>> > > > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
>> > > > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than
>> > > > >>>> ennobled by
>> > > > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original
>> > > > >>>> parents of
>> > > > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their
>> > > > >>>> post-abduction
>> > > > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in
>>
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