Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.


--Bill








On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
> door.
> Allan
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <lukaeon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have long
>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still interested in
>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular, I'm
>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing with?
>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and Nordics
>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species, having
>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in these
>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than ennobled by
>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original parents of
>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their post-abduction
>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee,
>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread, compares this
>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies.
>>
>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but something
>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least speculate, on
>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences, dressed
>> up in Star Trek costume?
>>
>>
>> --Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>>> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I
>>> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this
>>> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a
>>> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily
>>> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past.
>>> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until
>>> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not
>>> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous
>>> millions.
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has
>>>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even
>>>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in retro to
>>>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich
>>>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and
>>>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended
>>>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making sense
>>>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to
>>>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised
>>>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking when
>>>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we see
>>>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions.
>>>>
>>>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather
>>>>> they
>>>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them from
>>>>> learning to think for themselves.
>>>>> Allan
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of public
>>>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future
>>>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are sick
>>>>>> of the cultural garbage.
>>>>>> On Oct 4, 3:51 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Roughly the same thing going on here with confessional schools. The
>>>>>>> avoidance motif is where I see the problem begins.
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Catholic schools are rebounding to avoid public schools and are
>>>>>>>> attended by several faiths. The tuition is adjusted if one is a
>>>>>>>> parishoner, i.e. less tuition since you are expected to tithe, so it
>>>>>>>> probably works out to the same amount.
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Gabby --it's great to meet you too. I don't know what
>>>>>> happened with
>>>>>>>>>> the name thing --I'm sure one William L. Houts is enough for
>>>>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2012 10:02 AM, gabbydott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Bill, I noticed that your screen name on the group website is
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>> long. It reads: William L. Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William
>>>>>> L. Houts.
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if this was your intention.
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. Just so much, I do differentiate between heaven and
>>>>>> afterlifeand their individual usability for corruption. Both terms are
>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>>>> related to the future, but the access is different. Sorry, I forgot
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> introduce myself. My name is Gabby (short for Gabriele), I am a
>>>>>> Protestant,
>>>>>>>>>> my first language is German, and I believe in God. I like to listen
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> other people's stories which is why I have learned to keep my own
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> short. Nice meeting you. :)
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 28, 2012 7:17:08 AM UTC+2, William L. Houts
>>>>>> William
>>>>>>>>>> L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if humans do dream of uncorrupted worlds, in general.
>>>>>> You'd
>>>>>>>>>>> think that would be universal, and it does seem to be borne out by
>>>>>>>>>>> Western mythologies, with some exceptions. For instance, the
>>>>>> Greeks had
>>>>>>>>>>> Olympus, but except for Heracles no one got to go there; everyone
>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> went to Hades, which was gloomy and boring if you were lucky
>>>>>> enough to
>>>>>>>>>>> land there in general population, and terrifying if the gods put
>>>>>> you in
>>>>>>>>>>> Tartarus. And the Romans didn't seem to place faith in any sort
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> afterlife at all, which is one of the main reasons whyChristianity
>>>>>> sold
>>>>>>>>>>> like hotcakes. Eastern religions such as Buddhism had various
>>>>>> hells and
>>>>>>>>>>> heavens, but they were sort of besides the point: your karma is /
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to boil down to nothing and liberate you from the Wheel
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Rebirth, which was supposed to put you in Nirvana, which was less
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven than it was a Nowhere. And Taoism doesn't have much to say
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> heavenly afterworlds; its whole point is to make this world more
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> and balanced and leaves heavens to the individual to figure out.
>>>>>>>>>>> But as to your question of whether humans long for uncorrupted
>>>>>> worlds, I
>>>>>>>>>>> think that besides the Abrahamic religions noone takes them very
>>>>>>>>>>> seriously. And I think they've got a point: I mean, if you're
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>> your present existence at all seriously, then just what is an
>>>>>> afterlife
>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be about? Are we supposed to be eating bonbons all
>>>>>> day and
>>>>>>>>>>> living in some version of American luxury? I'd like to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven --which for me looks like a kind of liberal college town,
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> libraries and funky old cinema houses-- but all of that seems kind
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> empty if there's no gravitas, no seriousness. Without death,
>>>>>> without a
>>>>>>>>>>> final marker which howls at us, Do what you must do NOW and die
>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>>>>> that you've used your life well--without that, I think heaven
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> become kind of slouchy and boring, or worse. Unless, of course,
>>>>>> what's
>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for us on the other side is something superrational but
>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful, like being absorbed into the godhead, if such there be.
>>>>>>>>>>> So in answer to your question, I think we do dream of uncorrupt
>>>>>> worlds,
>>>>>>>>>>> but if we examine them too closely, they tend to be bustable soap
>>>>>>>>>>> bubbles. And maybe I lack imagination, but I wonder, how could it
>>>>>> be any
>>>>>>>>>>> other way? Frankly, I'd like to be told how. I sound sensible
>>>>>> about all
>>>>>>>>>>> of this if a little pessimistic, but in reality I'm a scared
>>>>>> ex-Catholic
>>>>>>>>>>> who is terrified of death and wants to solve the Big Question
>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>> they're performing Last Rites on his sorry ass.
>>>>>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/2012 7:20 PM, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder where you put the mythological and religious
>>>>>> other-worldlies-
>>>>>>>>>>>> from gods to guardian angels, etc.? Or the construct of Dante's
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Divine Comedy", for instance. Do humans long for uncorrupted
>>>>>> worlds?
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 6:23 pm, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm with the pragmatists on the question of intelligent alien
>>>>>> species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many scientists who speculate on this sort of thing --though
>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really aren't that many of them-- say that such species wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resemble anything so comforting as a humanoid physiology, but I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're partly mistaken. Surely there would be surprises in
>>>>>> the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nature cooks up life on other planets with radically different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chemistries than our dear old Mama Earth. But I think there's
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose that many alien species would resemble us. After all,
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> species we might imagine has to cope with gravity as it
>>>>>> evolves. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're much more likely to evolve some form of locomotion which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> involves two, four or six pedal extremities (as Fats Waller
>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>>>>> them)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than three or five: even-numbered legs are less wobbly
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> amenable to balanced movement which consumes fewer calories. .
>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense organs like eyes and ears are likely to be located in or
>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a head, as there is survival value in having sense organs
>>>>>> located
>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a brain, or whatever such species might use for brains.
>>>>>> Finally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone in the cosmos requires energy to get going, so they're
>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to evolve photosynthesis and take their energy directly
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sun or suns, or they're going to take their sunbeams indirectly
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consuming something lower in the food chain. I'm sure there
>>>>>> are lots
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution pathways I'm leaving out, seeing as I'm a curious
>>>>>> poetrather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than a serious scientist type of guy, but I think these notions
>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan named other ideas of mine, sensible provisos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS. I left out centipedes and millipedes with their scores of
>>>>>> legs,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think y'all's get what I'm saying here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/2012 3:57 PM, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen any UFOs and tend not to be much interested in
>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who claim to have - at least without Bill's sensible provisos.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed of thought as a brain process is slower than light-speed
>>>>>> - but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I'm basically a tropical fish realist. I'd have a bet
>>>>>> that no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one in this group would really have much of a definition of
>>>>>> light-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed and the Ricel curvature tensor, Euler Langrangian and
>>>>>> the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Einstein's field equations. I mean no offence and don't do
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this science myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you point out to a physicist that the people from the
>>>>>> future who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have invented the time machine are in extraordinarily short
>>>>>> supply
>>>> ...
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>> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
>> and boy are my arms tired."
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