Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
door.
Allan


On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <lukaeon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have long
> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still interested in
> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular, I'm
> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing with?
> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and Nordics
> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species, having
> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in these
> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than ennobled by
> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original parents of
> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their post-abduction
> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee,
> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread, compares this
> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies.
>
> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but something
> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least speculate, on
> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences, dressed
> up in Star Trek costume?
>
>
> --Bill
>
>
>
>
> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I
>> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this
>> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a
>> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily
>> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past.
>> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until
>> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not
>> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous
>> millions.
>>
>> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has
>>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even
>>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in retro to
>>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich
>>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and
>>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended
>>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making sense
>>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to
>>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised
>>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking when
>>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we see
>>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions.
>>>
>>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather
>>>> they
>>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them from
>>>> learning to think for themselves.
>>>> Allan
>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of public
>>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future
>>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are sick
>>>>> of the cultural garbage.
>>>>> On Oct 4, 3:51 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roughly the same thing going on here with confessional schools. The
>>>>>> avoidance motif is where I see the problem begins.
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catholic schools are rebounding to avoid public schools and are
>>>>>>> attended by several faiths. The tuition is adjusted if one is a
>>>>>>> parishoner, i.e. less tuition since you are expected to tithe, so it
>>>>>>> probably works out to the same amount.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Gabby --it's great to meet you too. I don't know what
>>>>>
>>>>> happened with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the name thing --I'm sure one William L. Houts is enough for
>>>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2012 10:02 AM, gabbydott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Bill, I noticed that your screen name on the group website is
>>>>>
>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> long. It reads: William L. Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William
>>>>>
>>>>> L. Houts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if this was your intention.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. Just so much, I do differentiate between heaven and
>>>>>
>>>>> afterlifeand their individual usability for corruption. Both terms are
>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> related to the future, but the access is different. Sorry, I forgot
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> introduce myself. My name is Gabby (short for Gabriele), I am a
>>>>>
>>>>> Protestant,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my first language is German, and I believe in God. I like to listen
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> other people's stories which is why I have learned to keep my own
>>>>>
>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> short. Nice meeting you. :)
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 28, 2012 7:17:08 AM UTC+2, William L. Houts
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if humans do dream of uncorrupted worlds, in general.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> think that would be universal, and it does seem to be borne out by
>>>>>>>>>> Western mythologies, with some exceptions. For instance, the
>>>>>
>>>>> Greeks had
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Olympus, but except for Heracles no one got to go there; everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> went to Hades, which was gloomy and boring if you were lucky
>>>>>
>>>>> enough to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> land there in general population, and terrifying if the gods put
>>>>>
>>>>> you in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tartarus. And the Romans didn't seem to place faith in any sort
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> afterlife at all, which is one of the main reasons whyChristianity
>>>>>
>>>>> sold
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> like hotcakes. Eastern religions such as Buddhism had various
>>>>>
>>>>> hells and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> heavens, but they were sort of besides the point: your karma is /
>>>>>
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to boil down to nothing and liberate you from the Wheel
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> Rebirth, which was supposed to put you in Nirvana, which was less
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heaven than it was a Nowhere. And Taoism doesn't have much to say
>>>>>
>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> heavenly afterworlds; its whole point is to make this world more
>>>>>
>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and balanced and leaves heavens to the individual to figure out.
>>>>>>>>>> But as to your question of whether humans long for uncorrupted
>>>>>
>>>>> worlds, I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> think that besides the Abrahamic religions noone takes them very
>>>>>>>>>> seriously. And I think they've got a point: I mean, if you're
>>>>>
>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> your present existence at all seriously, then just what is an
>>>>>
>>>>> afterlife
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be about? Are we supposed to be eating bonbons all
>>>>>
>>>>> day and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> living in some version of American luxury? I'd like to believe in
>>>>>>>>>> Heaven --which for me looks like a kind of liberal college town,
>>>>>
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> libraries and funky old cinema houses-- but all of that seems kind
>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> empty if there's no gravitas, no seriousness. Without death,
>>>>>
>>>>> without a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> final marker which howls at us, Do what you must do NOW and die
>>>>>
>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that you've used your life well--without that, I think heaven
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> become kind of slouchy and boring, or worse. Unless, of course,
>>>>>
>>>>> what's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> waiting for us on the other side is something superrational but
>>>>>>>>>> beautiful, like being absorbed into the godhead, if such there be.
>>>>>>>>>> So in answer to your question, I think we do dream of uncorrupt
>>>>>
>>>>> worlds,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but if we examine them too closely, they tend to be bustable soap
>>>>>>>>>> bubbles. And maybe I lack imagination, but I wonder, how could it
>>>>>
>>>>> be any
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> other way? Frankly, I'd like to be told how. I sound sensible
>>>>>
>>>>> about all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of this if a little pessimistic, but in reality I'm a scared
>>>>>
>>>>> ex-Catholic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> who is terrified of death and wants to solve the Big Question
>>>>>
>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they're performing Last Rites on his sorry ass.
>>>>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/2012 7:20 PM, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder where you put the mythological and religious
>>>>>
>>>>> other-worldlies-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> from gods to guardian angels, etc.? Or the construct of Dante's
>>>>>>>>>>> "Divine Comedy", for instance. Do humans long for uncorrupted
>>>>>
>>>>> worlds?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 6:23 pm, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm with the pragmatists on the question of intelligent alien
>>>>>
>>>>> species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many scientists who speculate on this sort of thing --though
>>>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> really aren't that many of them-- say that such species wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> resemble anything so comforting as a humanoid physiology, but I
>>>>>
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they're partly mistaken. Surely there would be surprises in
>>>>>
>>>>> the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> nature cooks up life on other planets with radically different
>>>>>>>>>>>> chemistries than our dear old Mama Earth. But I think there's
>>>>>
>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose that many alien species would resemble us. After all,
>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> species we might imagine has to cope with gravity as it
>>>>>
>>>>> evolves. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they're much more likely to evolve some form of locomotion which
>>>>>>>>>>>> involves two, four or six pedal extremities (as Fats Waller
>>>>>
>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than three or five: even-numbered legs are less wobbly
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> amenable to balanced movement which consumes fewer calories. .
>>>>>
>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> sense organs like eyes and ears are likely to be located in or
>>>>>
>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a head, as there is survival value in having sense organs
>>>>>
>>>>> located
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a brain, or whatever such species might use for brains.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone in the cosmos requires energy to get going, so they're
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to evolve photosynthesis and take their energy directly
>>>>>
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> sun or suns, or they're going to take their sunbeams indirectly
>>>>>
>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> consuming something lower in the food chain. I'm sure there
>>>>>
>>>>> are lots
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution pathways I'm leaving out, seeing as I'm a curious
>>>>>
>>>>> poetrather
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> than a serious scientist type of guy, but I think these notions
>>>>>
>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan named other ideas of mine, sensible provisos.
>>>>>>>>>>>> PS. I left out centipedes and millipedes with their scores of
>>>>>
>>>>> legs,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think y'all's get what I'm saying here.
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/2012 3:57 PM, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen any UFOs and tend not to be much interested in
>>>>>
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who claim to have - at least without Bill's sensible provisos.
>>>>>
>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed of thought as a brain process is slower than light-speed
>>>>>
>>>>> - but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I'm basically a tropical fish realist. I'd have a bet
>>>>>
>>>>> that no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one in this group would really have much of a definition of
>>>>>
>>>>> light-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed and the Ricel curvature tensor, Euler Langrangian and
>>>>>
>>>>> the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Einstein's field equations. I mean no offence and don't do
>>>>>
>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this science myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you point out to a physicist that the people from the
>>>>>
>>>>> future who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have invented the time machine are in extraordinarily short
>>>>>
>>>>> supply
>>>
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> --
> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> and boy are my arms tired."
>
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