Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

My mother took me to the original movie when I was 7 or 8. May still
have a lingering crush on John Garfield. Or- the movie might have
totally screwed up my life! :-) As to the snowmen- this service is
split between two guys so I haven't met with the shovellers yet.

America is not a true democracy- it's a republic built on a system of
checks and balances- now, out of kilter in many respects.

On Oct 31, 8:39 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry Gabs - I did leave the Aristotle space for rigsy - the above
> went to the 'tropes of democracy' thread.  Does rigsy's snowman always
> ring twice?
>
> On 31 Oct, 07:55, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > LOL my problem is Gabby I don't know how to bake..
> > Allan
>
> > Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
> > On Oct 31, 2012 8:39 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Allan, just download the update for the milk and honey version and get
> > > over with it! Always the same complaints with you techy guys!
>
> > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > has the supreme court of Rigsy ruled that cookies must be supplied on
> > > demand??
> > > > Allan
>
> > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:39 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> You are all very sweet to wish me well but I am safely nestled in
> > > >> America's belly. I will join your collective wishes for the east coast
> > > >> as it is ruinous and very sad to track.//Catching up: the fall lawn
> > > >> clean-up and cut backs were the best ever- hope the snow service is
> > > >> the same later on. My daughter has scared me with visions of a sugar
> > > >> plum Christmas she remembers from her childhood forgetting that she
> > > >> has abscounded with most all the decorations- even to the cookie
> > > >> cutters! We'll work it out. Have been getting bedrooms and kitchen in
> > > >> gear for the holidays so there isn't a last minute rush/heart attack.
> > > >> This house is a riot- but that is another topic. A couple invitations-
> > > >> will go to one- a baby shower. Exit the momastery! And yes, Gabby, was
> > > >> thinking of the warm sun during these cloudy days and cold nights. Saw
> > > >> myself sitting in the desert- very strange. Love to all- be safe.
>
> > > >> On Oct 30, 7:53 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> Yes, hope all is well for you rigsy.  In Detroit we have Sandy's wind
> > > and a
> > > >>> bit of rain and sleet, but nothing like NYC.  thinking of you with
> > > love.
>
> > > >>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > > >>> > sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,,
> > > >>> > heard WV had over a meter of snow fall  that must be a bitch.
> > > >>> > Allan
>
> > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:>>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> > > You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the
> > > >>> > > abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy
> > > had
> > > >>> > > done his job. You have spoiled it all now!
>
> > > >>> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:>>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> > >> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" -
> > > long
> > > >>> > >> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing
> > > the
> > > >>> > >> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc.
> > >  There was
> > > >>> > >> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever.  I got the
> > > >>> > >> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would
> > > give
> > > >>> > >> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever
> > > at
> > > >>> > >> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer
> > > >>> > >> terms).  Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3
> > > a.m.
> > > >>> > >> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds.  The place is a dreadful tourist
> > > rip-off
> > > >>> > >> and a week would have bankrupted us.  Flight home was delayed by
> > > an
> > > >>> > >> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the
> > > >>> > >> plane.  Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy.
> > > >>> > >> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that
> > > work
> > > >>> > >> scars the soul.
> > > >>> > >> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came
> > > home
> > > >>> > >> hobbling on a blister.
>
> > > >>> > >> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem
> > > to
> > > >>> > >> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the
> > > energy
> > > >>> > >> required to maintain an organ and so on.  Our brains and even
> > > memory
> > > >>> > >> need justification in energy terms.  Much of my own interest in
> > > the
> > > >>> > >> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which
> > > these
> > > >>> > >> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and
> > > its
> > > >>> > >> 'arms races'.  My own guess for a long time has been we need to
> > > >>> > >> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a
> > > >>> > >> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds
> > > >>> > >> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the
> > > >>> > >> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of
> > > >>> > >> jail.  Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a
> > > >>> > >> rentier class much as in the inter-war years.
>
> > > >>> > >> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even
> > > Star
> > > >>> > >> Trek touches the fringes.  We might, very un-art, start by
> > > wondering
> > > >>> > >> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise.
>
> > > >>> > >> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> > >>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
> > > >>> > >>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
>
> > > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> > >>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity
> > > is I
> > > >>> > see
> > > >>> > >>> > God as what makes up my being,,  I do not see God as being else
> > > >>> > where.
> > > >>> > >>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to
> > > justify
> > > >>> > >>> > violating those rules.
> > > >>> > >>> > Allan
>
> > > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <
> > > gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> > >>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on
> > > the same
> > > >>> > >>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going
> > > out,
> > > >>> > >>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What
> > > is it
> > > >>> > in
> > > >>> > >>> >> your life that makes you being different?
>
> > > >>> > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> > >>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang
> > > gods at a
> > > >>> > level
> > > >>> > >>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive.  Many fairy tales are
> > > >>> > imbued with
> > > >>> > >>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and
> > > godesses
> > > >>> > never
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy
> > > tales
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps
> > > when
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe
> > > they
> > > >>> > have
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is
> > > male
> > > >>> > and
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging
> > > some
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was.
> > > >>> > However, I
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for
> > > >>> > insurance.//
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent
> > > human
> > > >>> > nature
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere
> > > >>> > mortals.
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you
> > > were
> > > >>> > coming
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> from!
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself
> > > as an
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am
> > > >>> > aware that I
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to
> > > account
> > > >>> > for
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <
> > > >>> > leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> wrote:
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction
> > > is also
> > > >>> > true.
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > However
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief.  As it is my
> > > >>> > stance that we
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > all
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it
> > > is a
> > > >>> > wholly
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it,
> > > only
> > > >>> > time will
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > tell.
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400
> > > years
> > > >>> > old.
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face
> > > prison
> > > >>> > time for
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What
> > > >>> > harmony under
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will
> > > make
> > > >>> > god(s)
> > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through
> > > various
> > > >>> > value
>
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