Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

LOL - for all the muffling of ideological fools we need something that
encourages us that isn't survival in poverty whether personally
endured or in terms of the threat we will be dumped into it or pulled
down by the lazy and unreliable. Money isn't it - though one can
imagine, in another life, you may have made your way to the S & L
hoping for a bonus whilst I dodged my way past large men hoping for
the rewards of a good cup run so we could take a trip to the Villa
Borghese and some nice Italian cuisine as our spring break. Even
aspiration such as this gets poisoned when some restaurant manager
starts ploughing time-expired food back into the quality control
system to make the bonus that sends her to Ibiza for a week and kills
a couple of customers.

On 2 Nov, 08:49, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> No. But you do.
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> I don't understand why you think you can dispense with hierarchy? Or
> do you consider that an Aristotelian fallacy?
>
> I apologize for introducing film noir and my leap from Bambi, Dumbo
> and Snow White.
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> On Oct 31, 8:39 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Sorry Gabs - I did leave the Aristotle space for rigsy - the above
> > went to the 'tropes of democracy' thread.  Does rigsy's snowman always
> > ring twice?
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> > On 31 Oct, 07:55, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > LOL my problem is Gabby I don't know how to bake..
> > > Allan
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> > > Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
> > > On Oct 31, 2012 8:39 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Allan, just download the update for the milk and honey version and get
> > > > over with it! Always the same complaints with you techy guys!
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> > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > has the supreme court of Rigsy ruled that cookies must be supplied on
> > > > demand??
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:39 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >> You are all very sweet to wish me well but I am safely nestled in
> > > > >> America's belly. I will join your collective wishes for the east coast
> > > > >> as it is ruinous and very sad to track.//Catching up: the fall lawn
> > > > >> clean-up and cut backs were the best ever- hope the snow service is
> > > > >> the same later on. My daughter has scared me with visions of a sugar
> > > > >> plum Christmas she remembers from her childhood forgetting that she
> > > > >> has abscounded with most all the decorations- even to the cookie
> > > > >> cutters! We'll work it out. Have been getting bedrooms and kitchen in
> > > > >> gear for the holidays so there isn't a last minute rush/heart attack.
> > > > >> This house is a riot- but that is another topic. A couple invitations-
> > > > >> will go to one- a baby shower. Exit the momastery! And yes, Gabby, was
> > > > >> thinking of the warm sun during these cloudy days and cold nights. Saw
> > > > >> myself sitting in the desert- very strange. Love to all- be safe.
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> > > > >> On Oct 30, 7:53 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> Yes, hope all is well for you rigsy.  In Detroit we have Sandy's wind
> > > > and a
> > > > >>> bit of rain and sleet, but nothing like NYC.  thinking of you with
> > > > love.
>
> > > > >>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> > > > >>> > sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,,
> > > > >>> > heard WV had over a meter of snow fall  that must be a bitch.
> > > > >>> > Allan
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> > > > >>> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com
> > > > <javascript:>>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> > > You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the
> > > > >>> > > abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy
> > > > had
> > > > >>> > > done his job. You have spoiled it all now!
>
> > > > >>> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com
> > > > <javascript:>>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" -
> > > > long
> > > > >>> > >> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing
> > > > the
> > > > >>> > >> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc.
> > > >  There was
> > > > >>> > >> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever.  I got the
> > > > >>> > >> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would
> > > > give
> > > > >>> > >> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever
> > > > at
> > > > >>> > >> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer
> > > > >>> > >> terms).  Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3
> > > > a.m.
> > > > >>> > >> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds.  The place is a dreadful tourist
> > > > rip-off
> > > > >>> > >> and a week would have bankrupted us.  Flight home was delayed by
> > > > an
> > > > >>> > >> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the
> > > > >>> > >> plane.  Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy.
> > > > >>> > >> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that
> > > > work
> > > > >>> > >> scars the soul.
> > > > >>> > >> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came
> > > > home
> > > > >>> > >> hobbling on a blister.
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> > > > >>> > >> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem
> > > > to
> > > > >>> > >> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the
> > > > energy
> > > > >>> > >> required to maintain an organ and so on.  Our brains and even
> > > > memory
> > > > >>> > >> need justification in energy terms.  Much of my own interest in
> > > > the
> > > > >>> > >> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which
> > > > these
> > > > >>> > >> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and
> > > > its
> > > > >>> > >> 'arms races'.  My own guess for a long time has been we need to
> > > > >>> > >> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a
> > > > >>> > >> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds
> > > > >>> > >> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the
> > > > >>> > >> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of
> > > > >>> > >> jail.  Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a
> > > > >>> > >> rentier class much as in the inter-war years.
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> > > > >>> > >> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even
> > > > Star
> > > > >>> > >> Trek touches the fringes.  We might, very un-art, start by
> > > > wondering
> > > > >>> > >> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise.
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> > > > >>> > >> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> > >>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
> > > > >>> > >>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
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> > > > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity
> > > > is I
> > > > >>> > see
> > > > >>> > >>> > God as what makes up my being,,  I do not see God as being else
> > > > >>> > where.
> > > > >>> > >>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to
> > > > justify
> > > > >>> > >>> > violating those rules.
> > > > >>> > >>> > Allan
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> > > > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <
> > > > gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on
> > > > the same
> > > > >>> > >>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going
> > > > out,
> > > > >>> > >>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What
> > > > is it
> > > > >>> > in
> > > > >>> > >>> >> your life that makes you being different?
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> > > > >>> > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang
> > > > gods at a
> > > > >>> > level
> > > > >>> > >>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive.  Many fairy tales are
> > > > >>> > imbued with
> > > > >>> > >>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
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> > > > >>> > >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and
> > > > godesses
> > > > >>> > never
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy
> > > > tales
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps
> > > > when
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe
> > > > they
> > > > >>> > have
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
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> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is
> > > > male
> > > > >>> > and
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging
> > > > some
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was.
> > > > >>> > However, I
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for
> > > > >>> > insurance.//
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent
> > > > human
> > > > >>> > nature
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere
> > > > >>> > mortals.
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> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you
> > > > were
> > > > >>> > coming
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> from!
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> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself
> > > > as an
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am
> > > > >>> > aware that I
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to
> > > > account
> > > > >>> > for
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
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> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <
> > > > >>> > leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> wrote:
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction
> > > > is also
> > > > >>> > true.
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > However
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief.  As it is my
> > > > >>> > stance that we
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > all
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it
> > > > is a
> > > > >>> > wholly
> > > > >>> > >>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it,
> > > > only
> > > > >>> > time will
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