Re: Mind's Eye Re: Face To Face

Seriousness is addictive and purity ends in the nightmare of
justifying anything Gabby.

On 2 Nov, 16:38, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a believers game, Neil. It might seem like a good game from the
> ivory tower - with an added shadow feature for a more realistic look
> and feel. Just make sure you don't cross their shadows and it remains
> a good game. :)
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> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Boxing is an apt metaphor old friend - shadow boxing perhaps - as the
> > target won't stand still in argument.  I was hit on the head by a
> > cricket ball whilst wicket-keeping but saw no advance in my
> > mathematics!
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> > A rule of thumb for sound inference has always been that if it looks
> > like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it
> > probably is a duck. But there's a corollary: if it struts around the
> > barnyard loudly protesting that it's a duck, that it possesses the
> > very essence of duckness, that it's more authentically a duck than all
> > those other orange-billed, web-footed, swimming fowl, then you've got
> > a right to be suspicious: this duck may be a quack.
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> > This is essentially my problem with sages Vam - and clarity in
> > argument.  I admire artists who use light for compelling focus (and
> > because I draw pin-men badly), but much argument is just a trick of
> > the light.  E = mc2 is sharp, memorable and mostly useless - you have
> > to add in momentum to understand why light-speed is a limit - and even
> > then one must wonder about the Dark Age before light or alternative
> > thermodynamic models.
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> > I'm always struck that there are some people of whom we can rightly
> > say 'there's no arguing with him/her'.  Gabby plays good games on his
> > theme - but they are clearly games over-laying tolerance and good
> > sense with humour.  I do think one might have a Paulian change as
> > language bewitches less by banging one's head against the wall - but
> > mostly it is clear what we should get on with and tat we can do
> > nothing unless we prevent great wealth, militarism and totalitarian
> > abuse.  Shall we toss for who gets the ball and who to put his head in
> > the way Vam?
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> > On 2 Nov, 00:39, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Reminds me of "Rainman"- the character was returned to his asylum
> >> after a whirlwind in Vegas. It's more likely that thud would incur a
> >> concussion or brain hemorrhage and death if it was a hardball at 95
> >> mph.
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> >> On Nov 1, 8:56 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > Most thinking that men do are a release, a diversion away, a continuous
> >> > roll into forgetfulnes and awareness.
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> >> > For instance, Neil keeps trying to box the world and how it is, but at
> >> > different interfaces - morals, science, finance, politics, economics,
> >> > business, govt... I find he is driven by something invaluable in his heart
> >> > that aspires to beauty, dignity, truth and simplicity. That he is prepared
> >> > to drive himself for the values he has, go long extra miles, day in and day
> >> > out, makes it magnificent.
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> >> > Not that it reaches anywhere, except in the awareness he might raise into
> >> > others or tune into the choir. Mostly, it is fiction, which fact takes
> >> > nothing away from its paramount worth. I trust these intangible effects. It
> >> > is their buildup over time, perhaps several generations, when social values
> >> > might swerve towards "profit, as need" over "profit, as motivation" and
> >> > "work, as need" over "work, for profit".
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> >> > The world's tale is of the dog's tail. It wouldn't straighten, no matter
> >> > all the mega hullabaloo in science, biz, politics or economics. The
> >> > momentum of feudal and alpha rot in our psyche will remain. The proletarian
> >> > purity of Marx remains a charming chimera. And democracy, that promised
> >> > crowning of the ordinary man ... * sigh*
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> >> > Before I end, let me leave a scintillating case with you :
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> >> > Orlando Serrell wasn't born autistic - indeed, his savant skills only came
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> >> > > about after a brain injury.
> >> > > In 1979, then ten-year-old Orlando was playing baseball when the ball
> >> > > struck him hard on the left side of his head. He fell to the ground but
> >> > > eventually got up to continue playing.
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> >> > > For a while, Orlando had headaches. When they went away, he realized he
> >> > > had new abilities: he could perform complex calendar calculations and
> >> > > remember the weather every day from the day of the accident.
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> >> > From Orlando's official website <http://www.orlandoserrell.com/about.htm>:
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> >> > *What makes Orlando Serrell so unique is that he may indeed hold the key
> >> > that unlocks the genius in us all. Orlando Serrell did not possess any
> >> > special skills until he was struck in the head by a baseball when he was
> >> > 10. And his extraordinary gifts seem to be his only side effect. *
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> >> > *Could this mean once a key hemisphere in the brain is stimulated, we can
> >> > all attain the level of genius Orlando posses and beyond ? *
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> >> > *Will time and research really be able to tell ? Do we even need to wait
> >> > for that ?*
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> >> > People like Orlando are called "savants", a word with very interesting
> >> > nuance to genius. Here's a link with more :http://www.neatorama.com/2008/09/05/10-most-fascinating-savants-in-th...
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> >> > Would a world of savants be really preferable ?
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> >> > But, is science really in a position to replicate Orlando effect to genius
> >> > abilities ?
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> >> > I know Neil will give charge to his imagination and sci-fi fancy.
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> >> > But, Neil, my scientist friend, you really believe every 10 year old can be
> >> > given the equivalent of a baseball thud on left side of his head and stand
> >> > up to be a genius from then on ?
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