Re: Mind's Eye What is really going on in America?

I think that matriarchies are back in style- in all races and nations-
and think it will be just as suffocating as the patriarchy.

On Nov 11, 1:39 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Voting with your wallet could be an effective way to change things and put
> the wealthy exploiters out of business. Buying cheap products is more
> expensive in the long term  anyways. Buying food from local markets is also
> healthier. As long as we all play the game, the game will keep playing
> until every business becomes a monopoly and globalization will take over
> our wallets. Once our wallets are gone, we are really screwed and will have
> no other choice than to play robin hood. So much for free markets.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:41:52 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>
> > We lack simple explanation that isn't  crass Allan.  I have little
> > doubt the rich have stolen the wealth they have and it should be taken
> > from them - but how do we do this without it ending up with big
> > government that doesn't work any better?  I think we are tranced by a
> > work ethic that really makes no sense.  We need facts on just how much
> > work needs to be done and how we might organise that.  Simples!  Yet
> > no answer because we don't understand the 'trancing'.
>
> > On 10 Nov, 07:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > From what I see is the answer lies in manufacturing. And crazy things
> > like
> > > 50% less sales tax on products that are produced in the country origin,
> > > that includes good thru all industrial products.
>
> > > Better tax collection on all international corporations and stock or
> > money
> > > sent out of the country.
>
> > > In the US all corporation papers say they agree to abide by all the laws
> > > and if they don't they lose all corporate  rights and privileges. This
> > > needs to be enforced and you will see major changes in business. You
> > have
> > > to remember tax evasion is against the law.
> > > Allan
>
> > > Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly
> > > On Nov 10, 2012 2:04 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The weird thing is that we are being told all sorts of stuff can't be
> > > > 'afforded' - yet productivity is up by factors of ten since we did
> > > > decent things like national health services - we should be able to
> > > > afford loads more.  In the UK we were told the answer was US
> > > > management, then Japanese - German stuff had too much industrial
> > > > democracy for our business ethos.  Even the IMF has realised austerity
> > > > is a crock.  We're in the grips of something else.  Debt is the
> > > > obvious answer -but we have to address our attitudes towards it.  Its
> > > > owned by robber barons and all link between work and reward has really
> > > > gone.
>
> > > > On 9 Nov, 21:59, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I totally agree with you management is based on rot..but from what I
> > > > > have been reading it is the same problem from eons ago,,  unchanged
> > > > > what does it take to get management that is interested in the
> > > > > betterment of society ..  the ideas sit with in beliefs  which puts
> > > > > part of the burdens on religions ,, then the problems comes how does
> > > > > one get beliefs to work for the betterment of mankind in this world.
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Get your head back on Al - I know about the Japanese war crimes.
> >  The
> > > > > > book I was referring to was written by a Japanese clown.  The
> > point is
> > > > > > that management miracles are based on rot..
>
> > > > > > On 9 Nov, 19:07, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Neil I had two uncles in ww II One in the European theater the
> > other
> > > > > >> was in pacific theater and was captured even before the war
> > started in
> > > > > >> my memory is right   he survived 2 death ship and four death
> > marches
> > > > > >> that is talking five years of imprisonment into account  loss of
> > close
> > > > > >> to 70 kilos..  you need to get your facts straight as to
> > strategies of
> > > > > >> both wars..  and if Germany was acting like J ,,  Berlin would
> > have
> > > > > >> been Nuclear ashes also..
>
> > > > > >> Yes  the US has serious fiscal problems..  thanks to some
> > > > > >> irresponsible politicians  starting with the Reagan
> > administration ..
> > > > > >> hopefully  they will get something done . and stop sticking one
> > thumb
> > > > > >> in their mouth and the other in their ass then rotating.
>
> > > > > >> As for what happens iihope for the best  but in reality   we will
> > > > see..
> > > > > >> Allan
>
> > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/us-debt-problems-threaten-t...
>
> > > > > >> > The Germans are considering the USA as a potential Greece.
>
> > > > > >> > I'm remembering attitudes towards Japan in the 1980s.  There
> > was a
> > > > > >> > dreadful book called 'The Japan That Can Say No' which
> > summaries
> > > > thus:
>
> > > > > >> > + Japan must use its technological superiority as a negotiating
> > > > > >> > weapon, and it should
> > > > > >> > even threaten to trade secrets with the Soviet Union as a
> > bargaining
> > > > > >> > tool against the US and refuse to sell components that go into
> > US
> > > > > >> > missiles.
> > > > > >> > + The quality of American goods is low because the level of the
> > > > > >> > workers is low, while the superior education of Japanese
> > workers is
> > > > a
> > > > > >> > big advantage.
> > > > > >> > + The Japanese character is innately superior to the character
> > of
> > > > > >> > Americans.
> > > > > >> > + Americans believe that the Caucasian race is superior since
> > the
> > > > > >> > modern era is dominated by the western world, and this
> > prejudice
> > > > will
> > > > > >> > hurt them in the end.
> > > > > >> > + Former American colonies are rife with problems, while former
> > > > > >> > Japanese colonies are thriving.
>
> > > > > >> > + America's dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan and not
> > Germany in
> > > > > >> > World War II arose from racism because Germans are white people
> > and
> > > > > >> > Japanese are not. (Though at the time of the German defeat in
> > April
> > > > > >> > 1945, the atomic bomb was as yet incomplete and untested until
> > July
> > > > > >> > 16, 1945, so that may have been a factor)
> > > > > >> > + The trade surplus with the U.S. is caused by the lack of
> > desirable
> > > > > >> > products made in the U.S.
>
> > > > > >> > I read it on a plane out there on a journey to discover their
> > > > > >> > shipbuilding secrets.  I met a lovely bloke out there who told
> > me
> > > > the
> > > > > >> > idea of copying Japanese management secrets filled him with
> > dread.
> > > > > >> > The only secret was they were rotten, sexist and callous.
> >  Japan
> > > > fell
> > > > > >> > off its fiscal cliff when I left (1980s).  Almost sadly, this
> > wasn't
> > > > > >> > because of anything I left behind.  The 'brilliant' Japanese
> > > > > >> > management techniques were taught by lazy lecturers for the
> > next 20
> > > > > >> > years.
>
> > > > > >> > The coming fiscal cliff in the US isn't like Greece in that USD
> > can
> > > > be
> > > > > >> > printed at will.  Der Spiegel says this:
>
> > > > > >> > The US has more in common with heavily indebted southern
> > European
> > > > > >> > countries than it might like to admit. And if the country
> > doesn't
> > > > > >> > reach agreement on deficit reduction measures soon, the
> > similarities
> > > > > >> > could become impossible to ignore. The fiscal cliff looms in
> > the
> > > > near
> > > > > >> > future, and its not just the US that is under threat.
>
> > > > > >> > The US has finally voted and the dark visions of America's
> > future
> > > > > >> > broadcast on television screens across the country -- and most
> > > > > >> > intensively in battleground states -- have come to an end.
> > > > Supporters
> > > > > >> > of both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney had developed doomsday
> > > > scenarios
> > > > > >> > for what would happen if their candidate's opponent were to
> > win.
> > > > Four
> > > > > >> > more years of Obama, the ads warned, would result in pure
> > > > socialism. A
> > > > > >> > Romney presidency would see the middle and lower classes
> > brutally
> > > > > >> > exploited.
>
> > > > > >> > But following Obama's re-election, Americans are now facing a
> > > > > >> > different, much more real horror scenario: In just a few weeks
> > time,
> > > > > >> > thousands of children could be denied vaccinations, federally
> > funded
> > > > > >> > school programs could screech to a halt, adults may be forced
> > to
> > > > > >> > forego HIV tests and subsidized housing vouchers would dry up.
> > Even
> > > > > >> > the work of air-traffic controllers, the FBI, border officials
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > >> > military could be drastically curtailed.
>
> > > > > >> > That and more is looming just over the horizon according to the
> > > > White
> > > > > >> > House if the country is allowed to plunge off the "fiscal
> > cliff" at
> > > > > >> > the beginning of next year. Coined by Federal Reserve head Ben
> > > > > >> > Bernanke, it refers to the vast array of cuts and tax increases
> > > > which
> > > > > >> > will automatically go into effect if Republicans and Democrats
> > can't
> > > > > >> > agree on measures to slash the US budget deficit.
>
> > > > > >> > The answer is to abolish debt instead and start again with new
> > > > world-
> > > > > >> > wide agreements on workers' rights that abolishes races to the
> > > > > >> > bottom.  This isn't much in comparison with losing wars and
> > having
> > > > to
> > > > > >> > rise from real ashes as Germany and Japan did.
>
> > > > > >> > --
>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >>  (
> > > > > >>   )
> > > > > >> |_D Allan
>
> > > > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > >> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > > > >>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > > > > > --
>
> > > > > --
> > > > >  (
> > > > >   )
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