On Saturday, 8 December 2012 07:15:13 UTC, rigs wrote:
Actually, it derived from a Roman feast so there is a mix of sacred--
and profane. I had more Christmas decorations than I thought so I have
been busy with that plus getting ready to bake. My daughter is so
excited to share our memories and favorites with her young daughters.
And snow has finally started to arrive. Perfect!
On Dec 7, 11:00 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Xtians do Xmas quite well Lee - though it is in fact the Anglo-
> Saxon New Year.
>
> On 7 Dec, 16:35, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
> > Haha whatever gave you that impression Allan?
>
> > Really though you don't think that female priests represent a change in
> > theology? I know both gay men and gay woman who are preists, this is known
> > and excepted in the Anglican church. I don't know one Christian who keeps
> > the sabath, rather than do a spot of shopping, do you?
>
> > On Friday, 7 December 2012 14:01:48 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
> > > I know you dis agree .. birth control and woman bishops effectively no
> > > more than administration. How has those events changing the theology? They
> > > still strickly following the rules unchanged since early centuries
> > > Allan
>
> > > Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> > > On Dec 7, 2012 1:35 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerev...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> You are joking right Allan?
>
> > >> The changes are only in administration? So Catholics the world over are
> > >> not using contraception in spite of what the pope says? No such change I
> > >> think is driven and will be further driven by the faiths followers more
> > >> than it's leaders. When the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury leaves his new
> > >> post any changes that he has affected will still be there, one day woman
> > >> Bishops will be common place, despite any changes in administration.
>
> > >> Besides if you think of religous ideas in the same way as any and all
> > >> other ideas, then it is clear to see that such ideas will evolve or die.
> > >> We no longer belive that the Earth is the center of the universe, that
> > >> right there is a dead religous idea. Yet Catholosism is still very much
> > >> with us, and that right there is an example of evolotion of the idea rather
> > >> than the admisistration.
> > >> On Friday, 7 December 2012 11:40:07 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > >>> The changes are only in administration,, to me that is not evolutionary
> > >>> type change
> > >>> Allan
>
> > >>> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> > >>> On Dec 7, 2012 11:51 AM, "Lee Douglas" <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Hahah maybey, maybe. I am though the eternal optimist so I see things
> > >>>> differantly.
>
> > >>>> The Anglican church in particular are making some good moves.
>
> > >>>> There are though only two things I wish to comment on at this momnet.
>
> > >>>> My career in IT support thus far informs me that people do seem to have
> > >>>> an inbuilt resistance to change, and ultimatly the Christian church in
> > >>>> particular but of course all other dogmatic religions need to change or
> > >>>> they risk dieing out.
> > >>>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 10:02:37 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > >>>>> From what I have seen it does evolve.. it seems mostly in the
> > >>>>> negative directions.. probably because of greed and a desire to
> > >>>>> control rather than spirituality.. there are exceptions but they are
> > >>>>> rare.
> > >>>>> Allan
>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> > And in truth Allan religion does evolove, perhaps slowly but evolove
> > >>>>> it
> > >>>>> > does.
>
> > >>>>> > On Thursday, 6 December 2012 19:21:35 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > >>>>> >> I think that religion should evolve..just like the rest of the
> > >>>>> >> universe.. when the evolution stops it begins to die.. a good
> > >>>>> example
> > >>>>> >> of dead beliefs is those our fundamentalist friend is presenting.
> > >>>>> >> Recite the magickal incantation and and every thing will be all
> > >>>>> >> right.. this statement to me is one of a dead faith'
> > >>>>> >> Allan
>
> > >>>>> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:31 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > Biology is describing a 'co-evolution arms race'. Religious
> > >>>>> notions
> > >>>>> >> > of the eternal have a lot in common with Popper's 'World 3' and
> > >>>>> what
> > >>>>> >> > we can regard as 'objective' and 'factual' I'm as sure as you
> > >>>>> about
> > >>>>> >> > the 'meanness' you often describe and believe the way through it,
> > >>>>> past
> > >>>>> >> > it, whatever - is spiritual - maybe a kind of dawning.
>
> > >>>>> >> > There's a joke in the new Batman film (other 2 hours plus
> > >>>>> rubbish) -
> > >>>>> >> > when the bad guys raid the stock exchange a trader says there is
> > >>>>> no
> > >>>>> >> > money there for them to steal - the answer is that there must be
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>>> >> > otherwise the traders wouldn't be there. I think economics is
> > >>>>> largely
> > >>>>> >> > a fetish designed around libidinal and domination 'needs' - but
> > >>>>> even
> > >>>>> >> > organised religion becomes such. My guess is we need a spiritual
> > >>>>> >> > democracy and finance is set against this forcing us into
> > >>>>> compliance
> > >>>>> >> > with its control fraud much as many routinely bend their knees in
> > >>>>> >> > religious observance. Science, admittedly as reliably as a
> > >>>>> double-
> > >>>>> >> > glazing salesman, is suggesting human-biological intelligence is
> > >>>>> >> > already giving way to more machine-substrates that offer quasi-
> > >>>>> >> > immortality and intellect beyond a singularity we can hardly
> > >>>>> imagine.
> > >>>>> >> > In my science fiction dreaming we may discover the alien life on
> > >>>>> Earth
> > >>>>> >> > is actually ours and we have only been used by another, more
> > >>>>> worthy
> > >>>>> >> > consciousness..
>
> > >>>>> >> > On 6 Dec, 12:26, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> >> Many things are best guesses.. are the foundation to many
> > >>>>> things along
> > >>>>> >> >> what has been observed .. and there is nothing wrong with that
> > >>>>> .. many
> > >>>>> >> >> ideas have evolved from the instinct for survival .. from that
> > >>>>> has come
> > >>>>> >> >> selfishness which has lead to the excessive uncaring greed we
> > >>>>> see
> > >>>>> >> >> today...
> > >>>>> >> >> sacrificing the other ant.
> > >>>>> >> >> Allan
>
> > >>>>> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> > >>>>> >> >> On Dec 6, 2012 11:09 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used.
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get
> > >>>>> back
> > >>>>> >> >> > to
> > >>>>> >> >> > reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from
> > >>>>> >> >> > 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> >> >> > pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct.
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of
> > >>>>> re-evaluating
> > >>>>> >> >> > against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent
> > >>>>> god.
> > >>>>> >> >> > Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious
> > >>>>> science
> > >>>>> >> >> > misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know
> > >>>>> more. The
> > >>>>> >> >> > spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its
> > >>>>> history
> > >>>>> >> >> > of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to
> > >>>>> learn
> > >>>>> >> >> > in terms of grace and fellowship.
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> >> > > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> >> >> > > you
> > >>>>> >> >> > > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just
> > >>>>> wash
> > >>>>> >> >> > > after
> > >>>>> >> >> > > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone.
> > >>>>> >> >> > > Allan
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <
> > >>>>> gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > wrote:
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for
> > >>>>> cleaning
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > my
> > >>>>> >> >> > hands. I
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > difficult
> > >>>>> >> >> > dirt on
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more
> > >>>>> often I
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > wear
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But
> > >>>>> thanks for
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > the
> > >>>>> >> >> > tip.
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel
> > >>>>> instead
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > of
> > >>>>> >> >> > stone,
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > you're right.
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan
> > >>>>> Heretic
> > >>>>> >> >> > > > wrote:
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar
> > >>>>> used
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> for
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion,
> > >>>>> Garlic
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> ,,
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell
> > >>>>> left
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> over from
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler.
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how
> > >>>>> does it
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> work?
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> Allan
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <
> > >>>>> gabb...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I
> > >>>>> find
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > the God
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > concept
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > much more to the point. :)
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit,
> > >>>>> then
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > matter -
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > though.
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;)
>
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story
> > >>>>> is much
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > more
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > vivid
> > >>>>> >> >> > > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it
>
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