On Sunday, 9 December 2012 18:15:42 UTC, RP Singh wrote:
Religion is first and foremost about prayer and worship. There is no--
need for that but we must accept a morality code and adhere by it ,
there should be a feeling of love for one's fellow creatures and
tolerance towards them.
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Given what they have done with some decent spiritual messages Allan, I
> sometimes think of 'them' as Xstains. I was born into the tradition,
> but thought it was twaddle by the time Sunday school was interfering
> with soccer and cricket. I have no doubt we should focus more on
> spirituality, fellowship, hospitality, goodwill and sensitivity to
> others. I just don't want to base this on a pack of lies, banning
> women from hierarchies, prejudicing gays and xenophobic stuff about
> outsiders and being part of god's chosen. It's hard to think like
> this without being prejudiced against the 'worshipers of the blue and
> white striped rabbit' and purveyors of godswank. The inner danger is
> becoming religiously anti-religious. I'm actually rather touched by
> good aspects of some of the stuff.
> I have no idea why we are clinging to this rock - but I don't want it
> to be about being amused by Aussie pranksters making hoax calls or
> murals celebrating vile killing such as one finds in the Vatican.
> Science clearly provides us no answers to our spiritual plight and
> religion as I witness it internally is largely about future memory
> with less myth in it and less reason to take religion as we might
> otherwise take opiates.
> A colleague working in India is saying his students are reading Mein
> Kampf - more or less replacing the word Jew with Muslim and agreeing
> the plot entirely. We could do with some sensible religion and
> economics to fill the void that leaves people this vulnerable.
> Knowledge of thermodynamics or the biochemistry of life isn't going to
> do that for us.
>
> On Dec 8, 10:01 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> xtian aka christianity
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>> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line
>> > about Pilate! :-)
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>> > On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used.
>>
>> >> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get back to
>> >> reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from
>> >> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants that
>> >> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct.
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>> >> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of re-evaluating
>> >> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god.
>> >> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science
>> >> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more. The
>> >> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its history
>> >> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to learn
>> >> in terms of grace and fellowship.
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>> >> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell that you
>> >> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just wash after
>> >> > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone.
>> >> > Allan
>>
>> >> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for cleaning my hands. I
>> >> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more difficult dirt on
>> >> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more often I wear
>> >> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks for the tip.
>> >> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel instead of stone,
>> >> > > you're right.
>>
>> >> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
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>> >> > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar used for
>> >> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion, Garlic ,,
>> >> > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell left over from
>> >> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler.
>>
>> >> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how does it work?
>> >> > >> Allan
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>> >> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find the God
>> >> > >> > concept
>> >> > >> > much more to the point. :)
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>> >> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then matter -
>> >> > >> > though.
>> >> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;)
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>> >> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is much more
>> >> > >> > vivid
>> >> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's true. But
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which is really
>> >> > >> > good.
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>> >> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking about?
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>> >> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <allan...@gmail.com>
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>> >> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no supporting
>> >> > >> >> evidence..
>> >> > >> >> Allan
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>> >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not that of
>> >> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes.
>>
>> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much pinpointed .. as
>> >> > >> >> >> for
>> >> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing to support
>> >> > >> >> >> the
>> >> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence supporting the
>> >> > >> >> >> spiritual
>> >> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes
>> >> > >> >> >> Allan
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>> >> > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
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>> >> > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is beginning
>> >> > >> >> >>> and
>> >> > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in parallel
>> >> > >> >> >>> and
>> >> > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are dying ,
>> >> > >> >> >>> but
>> >> > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal time , just
>> >> > >> >> >>> like
>> >> > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The difference is
>> >> > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit is
>> >> > >> >> >>> non-dual.
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>> >> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas <leerev...@gmail.com>
>> >> > >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew,
>>
>> >> > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not
>> >> > >> >> >>> > true.
>> >> > >> >> >>> > I
>> >> > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is
>> >> > >> >> >>> > all
>> >> > >> >> >>> > that
>> >> > >> >> >>> > is
>> >> > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. To
>> >> > >> >> >>> > me
>> >> > >> >> >>> > there
>> >> > >> >> >>> > is
>> >> > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining there
>> >> > >> >> >>> > was
>> >> > >> >> >>> > only
>> >> > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the spirt
>> >> > >> >> >>> > of
>> >> > >> >> >>> > God.
>> >> > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit.
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>> >> > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> to
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> it
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them.
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> But I
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> could
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> vibration in
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space,
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>> >> > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas
>> >> > >> >> >>> >> wrote:
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>> >> > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>> is
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>> matter
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy.
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> was
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> not
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> matter,
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> much
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> easier
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> could
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> have
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life.
>>
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> required
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> for
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> beings
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> came
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
>>
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
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>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer.
>>
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else.
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>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'hope'.
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > Such
>> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be
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