Re: Mind's Eye Instinct for survival

At last count I think there were thousands of identified christian
sects, probably mostly minor revisions, but that does allow for a bit of
variation. A history of assimilation sounds like a likely sourc, I know
there is a perfect word for it (searching memory). And there are the
gnostics to consider, myself I have seen enough variation on the schools
of thought to consider it a potentially dynamic religion depending on
the person.

Lee, I don't really know anything about Sikhism, is there something
really cool about it you could share, maybe what sets it apart in your view?

On 12/14/2012 6:14 PM, Allan H wrote:
> Oddly Lee christianity won't be dying just sluffing off the infected
> sick and infected parts.
> Allan
>
> Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly
>
> On Dec 14, 2012 10:51 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdouglas@gmail.com
> <mailto:leerevdouglas@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Ohh I don't know about arrogant Allan. I think it's more like they
> have painted themselves into a corner. You can't change the word of
> God (read bible) so you must bend it and manipulate it to mean what
> you say it means. Unless of course you have the power to change it
> like our very own King James or that reprobate Constantine. Now of
> course if we get a liberal Pope, perhaps one day, but I really do
> think that the death knell for Christianity has started to sound,
> unless they move quickly.
>
> In other news I saw a report on the news the other day that said
> those in the UK who proclaim no religious faith now stands at 25%
> that is a 10% increase since last year. Honestly although a lot of
> us here proclaim membership of the Anglican church, I think a great
> deal of it is lip service, and once those above my generation start
> to die out, we'll see this % number increase.
>
> On Friday, 7 December 2012 20:02:12 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Not at all female theology has been around since the start.. I
> am not
> christian .. you see administration as a change in theology
> .When
> you start correcting the errors christianity has made in the past.
> but that would take an actual evolution in beliefs rather than
> administrative changes.. but christianity is far to arrogant to do
> that.. they have a problem saying they made a mistake.
>
> shopping on sunday is an administrative type change..
> Allan
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Lee Douglas
> <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Haha whatever gave you that impression Allan?
> >
> >
> > Really though you don't think that female priests represent a
> change in
> > theology? I know both gay men and gay woman who are preists,
> this is known
> > and excepted in the Anglican church. I don't know one
> Christian who keeps
> > the sabath, rather than do a spot of shopping, do you?
> >
> > On Friday, 7 December 2012 14:01:48 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
> >>
> >> I know you dis agree .. birth control and woman bishops
> effectively no
> >> more than administration. How has those events changing the
> theology? They
> >> still strickly following the rules unchanged since early
> centuries
> >> Allan
> >>
> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> >>
> >> On Dec 7, 2012 1:35 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You are joking right Allan?
> >>>
> >>> The changes are only in administration? So Catholics the
> world over are
> >>> not using contraception in spite of what the pope says? No
> such change I
> >>> think is driven and will be further driven by the faiths
> followers more than
> >>> it's leaders. When the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury
> leaves his new post
> >>> any changes that he has affected will still be there, one
> day woman Bishops
> >>> will be common place, despite any changes in administration.
> >>>
> >>> Besides if you think of religous ideas in the same way as
> any and all
> >>> other ideas, then it is clear to see that such ideas will
> evolve or die. We
> >>> no longer belive that the Earth is the center of the
> universe, that right
> >>> there is a dead religous idea. Yet Catholosism is still
> very much with us,
> >>> and that right there is an example of evolotion of the idea
> rather than the
> >>> admisistration.
> >>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 11:40:07 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The changes are only in administration,, to me that is not
> evolutionary
> >>>> type change
> >>>> Allan
> >>>>
> >>>> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2012 11:51 AM, "Lee Douglas"
> <leerev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hahah maybey, maybe. I am though the eternal optimist so
> I see things
> >>>>> differantly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Anglican church in particular are making some good
> moves.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are though only two things I wish to comment on at
> this momnet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My career in IT support thus far informs me that people
> do seem to have
> >>>>> an inbuilt resistance to change, and ultimatly the
> Christian church in
> >>>>> particular but of course all other dogmatic religions
> need to change or they
> >>>>> risk dieing out.
> >>>>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 10:02:37 UTC, Allan Heretic
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From what I have seen it does evolve.. it seems mostly
> in the
> >>>>>> negative directions.. probably because of greed and a
> desire to
> >>>>>> control rather than spirituality.. there are exceptions
> but they are
> >>>>>> rare.
> >>>>>> Allan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Lee Douglas
> <leerev...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > And in truth Allan religion does evolove, perhaps
> slowly but evolove
> >>>>>> > it
> >>>>>> > does.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > On Thursday, 6 December 2012 19:21:35 UTC, Allan
> Heretic wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> I think that religion should evolve..just like the
> rest of the
> >>>>>> >> universe.. when the evolution stops it begins to
> die.. a good
> >>>>>> >> example
> >>>>>> >> of dead beliefs is those our fundamentalist friend is
> presenting.
> >>>>>> >> Recite the magickal incantation and and every thing
> will be all
> >>>>>> >> right.. this statement to me is one of a dead faith'
> >>>>>> >> Allan
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:31 PM, archytas
> <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> > Biology is describing a 'co-evolution arms race'.
> Religious
> >>>>>> >> > notions
> >>>>>> >> > of the eternal have a lot in common with Popper's
> 'World 3' and
> >>>>>> >> > what
> >>>>>> >> > we can regard as 'objective' and 'factual' I'm as
> sure as you
> >>>>>> >> > about
> >>>>>> >> > the 'meanness' you often describe and believe the
> way through it,
> >>>>>> >> > past
> >>>>>> >> > it, whatever - is spiritual - maybe a kind of dawning.
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> > There's a joke in the new Batman film (other 2
> hours plus
> >>>>>> >> > rubbish) -
> >>>>>> >> > when the bad guys raid the stock exchange a trader
> says there is
> >>>>>> >> > no
> >>>>>> >> > money there for them to steal - the answer is that
> there must be
> >>>>>> >> > -
> >>>>>> >> > otherwise the traders wouldn't be there. I think
> economics is
> >>>>>> >> > largely
> >>>>>> >> > a fetish designed around libidinal and domination
> 'needs' - but
> >>>>>> >> > even
> >>>>>> >> > organised religion becomes such. My guess is we
> need a spiritual
> >>>>>> >> > democracy and finance is set against this forcing
> us into
> >>>>>> >> > compliance
> >>>>>> >> > with its control fraud much as many routinely bend
> their knees in
> >>>>>> >> > religious observance. Science, admittedly as
> reliably as a
> >>>>>> >> > double-
> >>>>>> >> > glazing salesman, is suggesting human-biological
> intelligence is
> >>>>>> >> > already giving way to more machine-substrates that
> offer quasi-
> >>>>>> >> > immortality and intellect beyond a singularity we
> can hardly
> >>>>>> >> > imagine.
> >>>>>> >> > In my science fiction dreaming we may discover the
> alien life on
> >>>>>> >> > Earth
> >>>>>> >> > is actually ours and we have only been used by
> another, more
> >>>>>> >> > worthy
> >>>>>> >> > consciousness..
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> > On 6 Dec, 12:26, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> Many things are best guesses.. are the foundation
> to many
> >>>>>> >> >> things along
> >>>>>> >> >> what has been observed .. and there is nothing
> wrong with that
> >>>>>> >> >> .. many
> >>>>>> >> >> ideas have evolved from the instinct for survival
> .. from that
> >>>>>> >> >> has come
> >>>>>> >> >> selfishness which has lead to the excessive
> uncaring greed we
> >>>>>> >> >> see
> >>>>>> >> >> today...
> >>>>>> >> >> sacrificing the other ant.
> >>>>>> >> >> Allan
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> >>>>>> >> >> On Dec 6, 2012 11:09 AM, "archytas"
> <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have
> used.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > I guess that David Deutsch and constructor
> theory tries to get
> >>>>>> >> >> > back
> >>>>>> >> >> > to
> >>>>>> >> >> > reminding science about its root guesses Allan.
> I take from
> >>>>>> >> >> > 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to
> destroy slaver ants
> >>>>>> >> >> > that
> >>>>>> >> >> > pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival
> instinct.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > Descartes had it that until we could get to a
> point of
> >>>>>> >> >> > re-evaluating
> >>>>>> >> >> > against his radical doubt one had to trust in a
> beneficent
> >>>>>> >> >> > god.
> >>>>>> >> >> > Whilst we can criticize his system, I think
> anti-religious
> >>>>>> >> >> > science
> >>>>>> >> >> > misses the beat on issues of how we can live
> until we know
> >>>>>> >> >> > more. The
> >>>>>> >> >> > spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to
> avoid in its
> >>>>>> >> >> > history
> >>>>>> >> >> > of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes -
> but plenty to
> >>>>>> >> >> > learn
> >>>>>> >> >> > in terms of grace and fellowship.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets
> rid of smell
> >>>>>> >> >> > > that
> >>>>>> >> >> > > you
> >>>>>> >> >> > > can not get rid of no matter how much you
> wash.. you just
> >>>>>> >> >> > > wash
> >>>>>> >> >> > > after
> >>>>>> >> >> > > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > Allan
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott
> >>>>>> >> >> > > <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel
> soap bar for
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > cleaning
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > my
> >>>>>> >> >> > hands. I
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans.
> And for the more
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > difficult
> >>>>>> >> >> > dirt on
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And
> more and more
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > often I
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > wear
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and
> onion. But
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > thanks for
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > the
> >>>>>> >> >> > tip.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it.
> Why not steel
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > instead
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > of
> >>>>>> >> >> > stone,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > you're right.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM
> UTC+1, Allan
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > Heretic
> >>>>>> >> >> > > > wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless
> steel soap bar
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> used
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> for
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands
> things like onion,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> Garlic
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> ,,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the
> epoxy smell
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> left
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> over from
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the
> universe,, how
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> does it
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> work?
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> Allan
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> <gabb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > The pointlessness of the points'
> business. Like Lee, I
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > find
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > the God
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > concept
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > much more to the point. :)
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model -
> first spirit,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > then
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > matter -
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > though.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;)
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the
> Chronos story
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > is much
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > more
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > vivid
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was
> good" story.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > That's
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > true.
> >>>>>> >> >> > But
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > children are less likely to have bad
> dreams at night.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > Which is
> >>>>>> >> >> > really
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > good.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What
> were you talking
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > about?
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <allan...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild
> guess with no
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> supporting
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> evidence..
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> Allan
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> <123...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this
> universe but
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > not
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > that of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> > <allan...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can
> be pretty much
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> pinpointed
> >>>>>> >> >> > .. as
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> for
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a
> wild guess with
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> nothing
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> to
> >>>>>> >> >> > support
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is
> more evidence
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> supporting
> >>>>>> >> >> > the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> spiritual
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> Allan
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh"
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> <123...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to
> creation.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> There is
> >>>>>> >> >> > beginning
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite
> no. of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> universes in
> >>>>>> >> >> > parallel
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are
> being born and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> many are
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> dying
> >>>>>> >> >> > ,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> but
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite
> universes in
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> eternal
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> time ,
> >>>>>> >> >> > just
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> like
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and
> without end.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> The
> >>>>>> >> >> > difference is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is
> dualistic and the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> Spirit
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> non-dual.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee
> Douglas <
> >>>>>> >> >> > leerev...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew,
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things,
> but alas many of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > them
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > are not
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > true.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > I
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things,
> matter and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > spirit.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > Mattter
> >>>>>> >> >> > is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > all
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > that
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical
> 'matter' and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > also
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > energy.
> >>>>>> >> >> > To
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > me
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > there
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the
> creator. Before
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > begining
> >>>>>> >> >> > there
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > was
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > only
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God
> created the creation
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > out of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > the
> >>>>>> >> >> > spirt
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > God.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012
> 18:32:43 UTC, andrew
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> > vecsey
> >>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter
> has to have an
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> energy
> >>>>>> >> >> > component
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> to
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> it
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as
> atoms which
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> have
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> motion in
> >>>>>> >> >> > them.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> But I
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> could
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without
> involving any
> >>>>>> >> >> > atoms...like a
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> vibration in
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space,
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012
> 5:53:26 PM UTC+1,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> Lee
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> Douglas
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when
> it comes right
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> down to
> >>>>>> >> >> > it.energy
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> matter
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012
> 11:22:14 UTC,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> andrew
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>> vecsey
> >>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who
> created the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> creator
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> can be
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the
> possibility that the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> original
> >>>>>> >> >> > creator
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> was
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> not
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> matter,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking
> of anything is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> much
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> faster
> >>>>>> >> >> > and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> much
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> easier
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes
> conceivable that
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> energy
> >>>>>> >> >> > patterns
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> could
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> have
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way
> and finely
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> tuned by
> >>>>>> >> >> > selective
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to
> how most
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> scientists
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> believe
> >>>>>> >> >> > that
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to
> form
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> life.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have
> evolved to a point
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> that
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> they
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and
> forms to code
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> the
> >>>>>> >> >> > information
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> required
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> for
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to
> evolve on their own
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> to
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> complex
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> beings
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and
> eventually to solve the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> riddle
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> of
> >>>>>> >> >> > where
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> they
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> came
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and
> why they are
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> alive.
> >>>>>> >> >> > Meaning and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting
> moment of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> existence.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012
> 7:55:05 PM
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> UTC+1,
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> archytas
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in
> respect of this is
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> to posit
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question
> of what
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> created that
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> in an
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> intelligent state
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> >> >> > which
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by
> something more
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> plausible and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> Truth
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> <123...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after
> re-transposition how
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > long could
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the
> >>>>>> >> >> > brain
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or
> maybe as long
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > as the
> >>>>>> >> >> > universe
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be
> destroyed at
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the end
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > -
> >>>>>> >> >> > time of
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is
> the Truth
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > behind life
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > and
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33
> AM, archytas
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene
> - subject to
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > mutations
> >>>>>> >> >> > etc. We
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > assimilation.
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > One's mind
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another
> substrate (nearish
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > future) -
> >>>>>> >> >> > our
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5
> years or so-
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > and the
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > new
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
> >>>>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would
> allow minds to
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> ...
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> read more »
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> > --
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> --
> >>>>>> >> (
> >>>>>> >> )
> >>>>>> >> |_D Allan
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> I am a Natural Airgunner -
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > --
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> (
> >>>>>> )
> >>>>>> |_D Allan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
>
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
>
> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> --
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>

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