Re: Mind's Eye Re: Bondage

Those who believe in bondage and don't want to do something excuse
themselves with the ' govern mentality ' but the very same people
exhibit aggressive action in other situations. Similarly others who
believe in free-will show a marked passivity in particular areas and
easily rationalize inaction.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:22 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think it would be an equal state rigs - just fairer. We don't
> really know. RP defines "I" and there are alternatives such as
> "govern-mentality" which allow the I to be bound. I doubt, given
> animal biology we are even born free. I don't drink much these days -
> recovery time is too long!
>
> On Dec 19, 7:19 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I tend to agree with your last paragraph. The best recourse is to use
>> your boundaries instead of being trapped by them; you also might find
>> that most individuals would not want to live in such an equal state
>> anyway.
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>> On Dec 18, 7:34 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > The Test ended as a boring draw and thus series win for England. One
>> > would not have thought this possible when England went down in the
>> > first Test - so the series win was a miracle of sorts - partly of
>> > international organisation as few of our men were born in England. If
>> > I'm interested at all these days it's to do with 'the truer word never
>> > spoke' and our bondage to farcical ideologies of not being able to do
>> > things. I played in two or three losing teams that grew to take on
>> > all-comers without much change in personnel. There were no
>> > inspirational speeches (well there were - but we laughed at them).
>> > Winning in sport isn't much of a social model as it just changes who
>> > the losers are - but we could make something of the spirit of 'can do'
>> > in place of current sweeping of real issues under the carpet. I'm not
>> > talking of a 'jock mentality' - that was common in the losing stage -
>> > it's more to do with recognising how to contribute to the team and how
>> > to do those things that facilitate others, feel good about that and
>> > encourage it.
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>> > Part of our bondage is to do with what we consider winning to be and
>> > managerial clowns who want to inspire their companies to be the
>> > Manchester United of their commercial sector. This misses the fact
>> > that we'd be much better off with loads more people playing soccer
>> > instead of watching vastly over-paid freaks who have never done a
>> > day's work in their lives. The story is always the same - 'global
>> > competition' means we have to pay vast fees to have Man U, the
>> > banksters, coffee shops and hotel chains who evade tax (legally
>> > because we are such mugs - and in massive contradiction to espoused
>> > ideologies and what is imposed on the rest of us) - or the players
>> > will go elsewhere - and we are so useless we can't sell better coffee
>> > and butties than Starwucks. The first bondage we can't look in the
>> > eye is libidinal - forced on us because we can't restrain the
>> > libidinal economy. This is essentially bondage to simplistic notions
>> > of cause and effect and not seeing the wood for the trees. We have
>> > police and law because of bandits - yet can't apply this reasoning to
>> > financial services and are subject to nightmare threats made real
>> > through income deprivation, poverty and unemployment. It's time (one
>> > can only say with a hollow laugh) for change.
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>> > Anyone who fears the social engineering that might allow cultural
>> > change for the better should not speak before looking at how we are
>> > being engineered by the current financial system and the way it places
>> > ownership and rents into a few hands - liberalism is, in fact, massive
>> > engineering and a politburo rather than a free alternative. I'll
>> > believe we have an attempt at freedom when I can choose to work in a
>> > cooperative zone in which we are all in control of the means of
>> > production and wealth distribution. Liberalism is so scared of this
>> > we aren't allowed to try. We are allowed spiritual reflection -
>> > presumably because this is known to be fruitless.
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>> > On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > > I suspect we pre-select defeat in
>> > > believing the condition impossible.
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>> > > A truer word was never spoke. I suspect we often do, by rote, never
>> > > knowing the limitations we, ourselves, impose in the process.
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>> > > On Dec 16, 3:19 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > > > Slip and Gruff are missed. Watched a Cronenberg film on Jung and
>> > > > Freud last night - a bit limper than Japanese knots Don. Here we are
>> > > > clinging to a rock with no real idea of where we come from,
>> > > > constrained by the speed of light (owing to the role of momentum in E
>> > > > = mc2 and right angled triangles) and a biology that collapses in the
>> > > > absence of gravity, has us slaves to genes and algorithms of an
>> > > > information world that arises when chemicals get together. The
>> > > > insights of science debunk myths of origin for what they are - myths -
>> > > > and yet knowing the chains of illusion seems little help in getting
>> > > > beyond them. We could be happier not knowing in the ignorant bliss
>> > > > that waits for mass extinction not knowing it comes. Politicians can
>> > > > still get away with urging us to be proud of our nations (of the
>> > > > Britain and USA using concentration camps in Southern Africa and the
>> > > > Philippines around 1900 - the vile murders in the Congo originating in
>> > > > Berlin meetings in the 1860s that continue today in imperialism's
>> > > > changed form?). We are bound by needs to make livings - something
>> > > > technology has probably rendered unnecessary but we are still kept in
>> > > > ideological shackles as surely as women caged in black bags.
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>> > > > There has to be more than this RP. The spiritual turns with the
>> > > > material and I'm not sure either has to 'come first'. England look
>> > > > like winning the Test series in India. The game is now ultimately
>> > > > dull with a day and a half to go and all of India praying for a
>> > > > miracle. I suspect rigsy and I would be plotting sight-seeing on our
>> > > > way out through the beer tent and cooling gin had she been unwise
>> > > > enough to venture forth to sample the cultural delights of such old
>> > > > colonialism! We'd just be hearing the Indian roar as the ball starts
>> > > > to spin and the English captain is victim of a bad umpiring decision
>> > > > not subject to technological review. We'd still leave - there is only
>> > > > so much cricket one can force on friends. Relief from northern
>> > > > hemisphere weather would be good though rigs. I sense we are waiting
>> > > > for a cultural-spiritual miracle as likely as one on the flat pitch in
>> > > > Nagpur. I suspect our bombardment with trivia is the problem Don.
>> > > > Much as i can imagine us together in a heroic last wicket stand
>> > > > thwarting the guile of India's spinners (the first ever Test was
>> > > > between the USA and Canada so you have the pedigree!), I guess the
>> > > > good guy is the one who changes light bulbs for his old neighbours.
>> > > > What might we be without material bondage and with religion we could
>> > > > believe in other than myth RP? I suspect we pre-select defeat in
>> > > > believing the condition impossible.
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>> > > > On Dec 15, 3:57 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > > > > I know just what you mean.. Eric Clapton is exciting to listen to
>> > > > > Allan
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>> > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > ...and here I thought this was going to be a lesson in interesting Japanese
>> > > > > > knots. Maybe next time. i miss Slipdisc.
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>> > > > > > I am bound by my morals. Even though i may step outside these boundaries
>> > > > > > from time to time I generally feel bad about it and try to make amends as
>> > > > > > i'm capable. I WANT to be the good guy. Problem with kids today(harrumph) is
>> > > > > > they want to be bad boyzz. It's cooler.
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>> > > > > > The point on limitations is spot on. i hear a blistering solo from Eric
>> > > > > > Clapton and am spell bound. BB King I can do all day. Albert too. Clapton
>> > > > > > is WAAAY outta my league. I don't even try anymore.
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>> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNUZTyukC4
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>> > > > > > dj
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>> > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:24:51 AM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote:
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>> > > > > >> Are we bound to see what we want to see? I am bound by Nature which
>> > > > > >> consists of my body and brain and other individuals and the
>> > > > > >> environment surrounding me.
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>> > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > > >> > We are bounded by our limitations and desires. In the end we can not see
>> > > > > >> > all
>> > > > > >> > there is to be seen and we see mainly what we want to see.
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>> > > > > >> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:51:07 AM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
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>> > > > > >> >> It is I who see , I who hear, I who reason , imagine , understand ; and
>> > > > > >> >> again it is I who am angry , loving , jealous , and I who act and
>> > > > > >> >> react. So
>> > > > > >> >> where is my bondage ???
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>> > > > > |_D Allan
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>> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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>> > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text -
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