Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

Hmm an annual tax on all guns might be nice and any not registered for
taxation an immediate confiscation,,
Allan


On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 5:39 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't think of it at the moment James. In one amazingly stupid
> episode in Northern Ireland our government went in for disarming - and
> disarmed the police. Ludicrous as this was, the 'Troubles' in the
> late 60s/early 70s can rightly be described in part as a police riot.
> 20 years of horror there could have been averted had we been able to
> take the realities to heart as Molly suggests. The NRA farce reminded
> me of our Parliament grilling managerial clowns from Google, Starbucks
> and Amazon on tax avoidance - with them all claiming the highest
> ethical standards - none of them 'knew' any details of where the
> offshore money is, how much there is and how a company selling coffee
> can manage not to pay corporation tax in the country they sell it in.
> The managers were clearly patsies put up to evade revealing the
> details - the politicians such dupes they had got the wrong people and
> couldn't present an analysis of the books. The Starwucks twerp was
> issuing propaganda on 'job creation' as though big companies like that
> don't really trash more jobs in the competition.
>
> How will we raise the money for more cops Moll? - we need more here
> too for equally pressing reasons. A tax on the gun owners? In
> economic terms we are in the realm of externalities - gun purchase
> doesn't include payment for the problems they cause - not dealing
> early with our crooks and 'mad' people transfers the cost to victims
> and so on. I think we should be dealing with these issues by
> expanding civil society.
>
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> On 23 Dec, 01:55, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The best explanation I heard was the spokesperson who issued that tirade
>> on Friday was a patsy, at best hiding behind the shield of popular
>> opinion of the NRA servicing the lunatic fringe, while doing untold
>> damage to the members they are supposed to represent (of which, opinion
>> polls appear not to be mostly lunatics, nor in agreement with NRA policy
>> positions), is in fact on the take from special industry interests, and
>> at worst all-of-the-above without an ounce of reservation or conscience
>> other than to lobbying interests. Triple agent theories aren't worth the
>> energy, greed and ignorance sums up DC nicely indiscriminately IMO. Who
>> would be in the best position to rile up fear among large populations
>> and get the gov't to move it's pieces in line, who stands the most to
>> gain? Does a rhetorical question require a question mark?
>>
>> Shame indeed Molly. This guy is probably destined to get canned within a
>> year, and leave with a little severance bonus and a nice handful of
>> chips to play in the next round of dupe the morons. Organized crime has
>> a nasty word for it I can't remember, lend me a hand Archy?
>>
>> On 12/22/2012 8:02 AM, Molly wrote:
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>> > I agree, Alan. there are issues with types of guns, number of guns,
>> > guns accessible to folks with documented mental instability. Right to
>> > bear arms is important. Right to own arsenals is another story. As
>> > is right to carry into places that make others vulnerable because of
>> > it. The NRA isn't far off, I think, on its position that if schools,
>> > hospitals, stadiums etc need armed police then they should have them,
>> > instead of giving everyone who walks in the building the right to
>> > carry. However, the NRA, as usual, is using the tragedy to push their
>> > agenda, and have the money to do it. I have always found this
>> > unconscionable. Will never forget one of their political campaign
>> > flyers that had a picture of the US President in the sight of a gun.
>> > Unacceptable.
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>> > On Dec 22, 3:54 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> if the adults were running toward the killer then they must be kretes
>> >> because hero fight like kretes.. and that is what they truly are not
>> >> some one putting their own life first and hiding away.. No one has
>> >> any business with assault rifles including all military..all military
>> >> world wide.
>> >> Allan
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>> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Don Johnson<daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> The truth is we can't protect against insanity. We can't do it against
>> >>> crazed Muslims chasing 70 virgins in Paradise and we can't do it from
>> >>> unsocialized mentally disturbed malcontents. We meaning society as a
>> >>> whole of course. Without the guns perhaps this young man would have
>> >>> chosen a bomb or a fire or sarin gas as an outlet for his rage. More
>> >>> laws will have zero effect on this kind of tragedy. There was an
>> >>> assault rifle ban in '94 that lasted 10 years and had no effect
>> >>> whatsoever on gun violence.
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>> >>> Could this have been prevented? Well sure. Any number of things could
>> >>> have been done differently to avoid what happened and those survivors
>> >>> familiar with the situation that led up to the tragedy will likely
>> >>> destroy themselves thinking "what if." Life is full of "what ifs." I
>> >>> am thinking particularly of the father of the assassin here. No sane
>> >>> parent could avoid feeling culpable here. The suffering around this
>> >>> shooting is unimaginable to me.
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>> >>> My understanding is that most of the adults killed were running
>> >>> TOWARDS the killer when they were shot down. They must have known they
>> >>> would be killed but it may have allowed a child or two more to escape.
>> >>> "Hero" doesn't seem to cut it. How differently would things have
>> >>> turned out if one or more of these brave souls had a weapon on them?
>> >>> What If.
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>> >>> Here's the thing. I think I could live just fine in a world without
>> >>> weapons. I'm big and fairly strong and have the capability to befriend
>> >>> or employ those bigger and stronger then me. I'll be just fine. What
>> >>> about the children and the women? Guns are the great equalizer are
>> >>> they not? Suddenly an 80lb 12 year old girl can stop a 200lb rapist.
>> >>> I'm not saying all 12 year olds should be required to carry assault
>> >>> rifles I'm just asking for some thought on who suffers most if guns
>> >>> are outlawed. The weak, as always, suffer the most when choices are
>> >>> removed from the table. The number of choices disappearning from my
>> >>> society is alarming. From health care to banking and insurance and
>> >>> investing. It's all getting more expensive and less user friendly.
>> >>> TOO. MANY. LAWS.
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>> >>> But I digress.
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>> >>> dj
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>> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> The NRA is singing its old hymn I see. The Aussies did have a big
>> >>>> clamp-down that seems successful rigs. If the price of armed guards,
>> >>>> hospital treatment and such were factored into gun prices along with
>> >>>> civil litigation for mis-selling and so on ... I don't go for the self-
>> >>>> protection argument either - even cops have to admit the guy with the
>> >>>> knife or iron bar will beat them if within 21 feet and their own gun
>> >>>> is holstered.
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>> >>>> On 19 Dec, 05:19, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Why not just sell suicide kits with a cyanide capsule? You know the
>> >>>>> gun dealers have run out of clips in the last four days in case guns
>> >>>>> are outlawed so some people will still be fearfully armed. How about
>> >>>>> going back to duels or fistfights? It's all that testosterone.
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>> >>>>> On Dec 18, 12:00 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >>>>>> Most of the firearm killings are suicides - about twice as prevalent
>> >>>>>> as homicides in US firearms incidents. Ethnicity is a big factor in
>> >>>>>> some states and not others. I wonder how far we could get by leaving
>> >>>>>> the guns out of the argument to start with. We wouldn't be much
>> >>>>>> bothered if these twerps just blew their own heads off.
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>> >>>>>> On Dec 18, 12:14 pm, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >>>>>>> My brother Mike loved guns, and in his 20s moonlighted as a Hollywood
>> >>>>>>> bodyguard. when he passed away, I found his hand gun, the only one he
>> >>>>>>> had left. Beautiful, mahogany handle, I am sure it was worth a great
>> >>>>>>> deal, especially to him. He and I were opposites in a few respects,
>> >>>>>>> not many. guns have never been my thing, and I hope to go my whole
>> >>>>>>> life having not had one in my home. It caused a big stir in my family
>> >>>>>>> when I turned his gun over to the local police dept. I called to ask
>> >>>>>>> if they were interested, and the officer on the phone asked if the gun
>> >>>>>>> was loaded. I said, 'you mean you want me to take it out of the
>> >>>>>>> holster? I wouldn't know how." He said, "I'll be right over." He
>> >>>>>>> was there in five minutes and his eyes boggled when I showed him the
>> >>>>>>> gun. It hands were shaking, it was a beauty, complete with brand new
>> >>>>>>> cleaning kit. I couldn't bear to sell any of his things, and couldn't
>> >>>>>>> bear the thought of someone being hurt by the gun I had given away.
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>> >>>>>>> The topic of personal firearms, I have found, is like religion and
>> >>>>>>> politics. The topic is often emotional and discussions heated. There
>> >>>>>>> has not been a period in human history that I know of that has not
>> >>>>>>> included war and violence. I would like to think we are evolving into
>> >>>>>>> a more peaceful existence, but see as much to the contrary as I do to
>> >>>>>>> support that wonderful hope.
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>> >>>>>>> There are ways to commune and live and think and feel that don't
>> >>>>>>> include violence. the more we live and relate without it, the more we
>> >>>>>>> trust overall and less we feel the need to defend ourselves. I can
>> >>>>>>> see how much difference one individual can make watching Detroit move
>> >>>>>>> from one Mayor with an ethnocentric view expressed with corrupt and
>> >>>>>>> violent language and behavior, to one with a world-centric view
>> >>>>>>> expressed with language and behavior that brings people together in a
>> >>>>>>> spirit of cooperation (not easy in a city torn apart.)
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>> >>>>>>> I'm with Gabs on this one, and don't feel guns are necessary but for
>> >>>>>>> trained folks in the service of their country or community as a chosen
>> >>>>>>> vocation (not hobby). But that is an opinion. And, I suppose, the
>> >>>>>>> freedom to bear arms if necessary, is as important as breathing.
>> >>>>>>> Because at one time or another, we are called upon to take the warrior
>> >>>>>>> aspect. I have been fortunate that in my time, words were only
>> >>>>>>> necessary. Although I have made that 911 call for assistance in my
>> >>>>>>> time, and was glad for the service.
>>
>> >>>>>>> My dad dropped bombs in the Pacific arena in WWII. I can't imagine
>> >>>>>>> being called into that kind of horror.
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>> >>>>>>> On Dec 18, 5:17 am, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >>>>>>>> You are totally in style with your attitude, Allan. Retro style is selling
>> >>>>>>>> like hell these days. I had to buy a snapback cap as a Christmas present
>> >>>>>>>> for my son, the latest rapper style, as the shop owner explained to me. He
>> >>>>>>>> still remembers how cool it was to have the hole in the back closed. And
>> >>>>>>>> Noah will get the latest assassins of creed game from my sister. The
>> >>>>>>>> likelihood that he'll have to deal with Americans from the California, New
>> >>>>>>>> York, Florida areas is higher than having to kill bears in the mountains.
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>> >>>>>>>> It's smelly in here, I need to go out and get some fresh air.
>> >>>>>>>> Am 18.12.2012 09:10 schrieb "Allan H"<allanh1...@gmail.com>:
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>> >>>>>>>>> I think you have a whole lot confused I have enjoyed trout fishing
>> >>>>>>>>> since I was a child. and I love eating fresh fried trout..
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