Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

Yes. The comments about the mother are disturbing- far beyond the
sport it was reported to be. But it is parents who begin to cultivate
children- you cannot expect a child to raise himself nor rely on
society. Yet you must raise social beings and at least from my point
of view, one is never done being a parent for though you let them go
and stand back there is always that concern for them. But Obama was
good to point out our duty to all children and also adults- in our
behavior- or decency, as you have termed it, Molly. Another step-
avoid the products that promote violence/indecency and some even
contact the tv or other venues and protest as some did with rap
lyrics, for instance. And I find as Allan has said that ordinary
people are a joy to mingle with even though I have been very critical
of cliques and some of my experiences.

On Dec 17, 5:56 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, and cultivating our own decency is the first step for everyone
> toward solution.
>
> On Dec 16, 9:07 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > one decent person could make the difference
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> > On 12/16/2012 5:36 PM, Molly wrote:
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> > > This was a disturbed child who bounced in an out of school and his
> > > mother home schooled him for awhile.  Knowing this, his mother also
> > > kept a collection of guns in the house, some that were used in this
> > > killer's final, violent act.  Who is culpable?  The society who allows
> > > folks to collect semi automatic weapons in their home, homes that also
> > > have people with known mental illness living in them.  The people who
> > > buy the guns and don't think about the danger of them falling into the
> > > wrong hands?  The known whacko that finally snaps?  A country that
> > > goes around and around about these issues and does little to prevent
> > > the tragedies they produce?
>
> > > Hard to think it is spirit in action.  but I know it is.  and we are.
> > > and, as Neil points out, we are all culpable with our nonchalant
> > > acceptance of violent expressions in our daily lives.
>
> > > On Dec 16, 3:55 pm, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >> But violence and cynicism are quite obvious and popular in our western
> > >> culture, in fact, celebrated; no wonder the undercurrent churns and
> > >> explodes. This tragedy seems to have punched me out. Job was no help
> > >> but classical music on the radio seems to help- the orchestra reminds
> > >> me of the beauty humans can create together. The public grade school
> > >> my children attended had a great music teacher back in the day who
> > >> would put on an operetta that would bring tears to your eyes. We can't
> > >> terrify the young and ruin their child memories of Christmas with this
> > >> and we might pay more attention to the news around the world and
> > >> realize troubles and violence around the world-yes, esp. in Syria
> > >> right now.//I could never carry a weapon- just a tiny Swiss Army
> > >> knife- that's it. But if I were to defend something, I guess I'd have
> > >> to. Anyway- this man broke into the school by-passing security. He
> > >> seems too evil to pray for- the way he killed his mother and then why
> > >> would he continue his rampage at his former grade school? Such hatred!
>
> > >> On Dec 16, 1:14 pm, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> > >>>   The undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.
>
> > >>> Yes, indeed.
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> > >>> On Dec 16, 12:22 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> > >>>> The debates/action seem to have gone nowhere Molly.  One can even
> > >>>> wonder whether collapsing lobby power and vast money in US politics
> > >>>> would help by preventing the NRA targeting politicians wanting to make
> > >>>> the anti-stand.  The speed of our response to similar incidents in the
> > >>>> UK has been very poor and I favour more weapons being carried by our
> > >>>> police (though some idiot cop attacked a blind guy with a Taser
> > >>>> recently, claiming his white stick was a Samurai sword).  The
> > >>>> undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.
>
> > >>>> On Dec 16, 3:10 pm, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> > >>>>> the concept of more guns less death is totally erroneous, many people
> > >>>>> especially those that have to have many guns have a problem..  My job
> > >>>>> required me to carry a pistol and it was concealed,  Truth is I hated
> > >>>>> it.. and was written upon more than one occasion for not carrying my
> > >>>>> weapon.the truth is if you kill some one you can never give it back..
> > >>>>> if you cause injury it is permanent.  anyone wanting to carry a
> > >>>>> concealed weapon is really not all there I am sorry.
>
> > >>>>> I still love target practice and go through about 500 pellets a
> > >>>>> month,,  my pistol now is a little pump crosman .177 and it is a blast
> > >>>>> I have more fun sitting in my back yard plinking away and my yard is
> > >>>>> only 12 meters long..  my wife and I have a competition going..  we
> > >>>>> don't miss and the groups are a tight as the pistol is capable of.
> > >>>>> the truth is It is far more fun than I have ever had with any of the
> > >>>>> guns I have owned ..  and the cheapest..  to allow nuts to carry
> > >>>>> concealed weapons..   no wonder I like it over here..
> > >>>>> Allan
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> > >>>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>>>> I suspect that this is one of those Michigan issues that James was
> > >>>>>> referring to as there is legislation before the governor now that
> > >>>>>> would extend the right to carry laws currently on the books to include
> > >>>>>> those facilities now excluded like arenas, convention centers,
> > >>>>>> hospitals, schools etc.......
>
> > >>>>>> I completely agree that the problem is not with the guns, and that
> > >>>>>> agendas are being driven at every opportunity.  But I must say, as one
> > >>>>>> working in a facility that may host 100,000/day, that anyone
> > >>>>>> discharging a firearm at any time would create crowd control issues
> > >>>>>> wherein a multitude of folks would die or suffer injury from causes
> > >>>>>> other than gunshot.  The equation that more guns=less death is indeed
> > >>>>>> questionable.  Whether or not we will ever be able to eliminate crazy
> > >>>>>> is also.  Answers don't come easy, and we often spin our wheels
> > >>>>>> looking for them rather than making any real progress,
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> > >>>>>> On Dec 16, 7:43 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>> It's impossible to think about tragedies like Newtown without just
> > >>>>>>> wishing they didn't happen and sorrow for the victims and bereaved.
> > >>>>>>> In western Europe we tend to see such events as American and a result
> > >>>>>>> of lunatic gun control.  A fair representation of this thinking can be
> > >>>>>>> found in today's Observer - a liberal Sunday broadsheet.http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/newtown-shooting-...
>
> > >>>>>>> The gist is one in ten thousand will die through firearm use in the US
> > >>>>>>> every year with more deaths than in Syria in its civil war.  Arguments
> > >>>>>>> on this issue quickly degenerate with some saying the answer is to arm
> > >>>>>>> more decent people (so they can shoot the creeps and limit damage) or
> > >>>>>>> the right to bear arms to protect democracy from government.
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> > >>>>>>> The real question is how we can stop scum, creeps, nutters and people
> > >>>>>>> pushed over the edge from using violence against others.  We are all
> > >>>>>>> frankly wide open to this and the problem of what happens to our
> > >>>>>>> societies because of measures taken in prevention.  I wonder whether
> > >>>>>>> answers to this may be well outside gun law and the NRA opposition to
> > >>>>>>> it - this 'debate' has, after all, gone nowhere forever - much as we
> > >>>>>>> have not prevented our governments pursuing imperialist wars or race
> > >>>>>>> to the bottom global economics.
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> > >>>>>> --
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> > >>>>>    )
> > >>>>> |_D Allan
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> > >>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > >>>>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> > >>>>>   Full of Hot Air&  Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text -
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