Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

yes, and cultivating our own decency is the first step for everyone
toward solution.

On Dec 16, 9:07 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> one decent person could make the difference
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> On 12/16/2012 5:36 PM, Molly wrote:
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> > This was a disturbed child who bounced in an out of school and his
> > mother home schooled him for awhile.  Knowing this, his mother also
> > kept a collection of guns in the house, some that were used in this
> > killer's final, violent act.  Who is culpable?  The society who allows
> > folks to collect semi automatic weapons in their home, homes that also
> > have people with known mental illness living in them.  The people who
> > buy the guns and don't think about the danger of them falling into the
> > wrong hands?  The known whacko that finally snaps?  A country that
> > goes around and around about these issues and does little to prevent
> > the tragedies they produce?
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> > Hard to think it is spirit in action.  but I know it is.  and we are.
> > and, as Neil points out, we are all culpable with our nonchalant
> > acceptance of violent expressions in our daily lives.
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> > On Dec 16, 3:55 pm, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> But violence and cynicism are quite obvious and popular in our western
> >> culture, in fact, celebrated; no wonder the undercurrent churns and
> >> explodes. This tragedy seems to have punched me out. Job was no help
> >> but classical music on the radio seems to help- the orchestra reminds
> >> me of the beauty humans can create together. The public grade school
> >> my children attended had a great music teacher back in the day who
> >> would put on an operetta that would bring tears to your eyes. We can't
> >> terrify the young and ruin their child memories of Christmas with this
> >> and we might pay more attention to the news around the world and
> >> realize troubles and violence around the world-yes, esp. in Syria
> >> right now.//I could never carry a weapon- just a tiny Swiss Army
> >> knife- that's it. But if I were to defend something, I guess I'd have
> >> to. Anyway- this man broke into the school by-passing security. He
> >> seems too evil to pray for- the way he killed his mother and then why
> >> would he continue his rampage at his former grade school? Such hatred!
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> >> On Dec 16, 1:14 pm, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> >>>   The undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.
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> >>> Yes, indeed.
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> >>> On Dec 16, 12:22 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> >>>> The debates/action seem to have gone nowhere Molly.  One can even
> >>>> wonder whether collapsing lobby power and vast money in US politics
> >>>> would help by preventing the NRA targeting politicians wanting to make
> >>>> the anti-stand.  The speed of our response to similar incidents in the
> >>>> UK has been very poor and I favour more weapons being carried by our
> >>>> police (though some idiot cop attacked a blind guy with a Taser
> >>>> recently, claiming his white stick was a Samurai sword).  The
> >>>> undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.
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> >>>> On Dec 16, 3:10 pm, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> >>>>> the concept of more guns less death is totally erroneous, many people
> >>>>> especially those that have to have many guns have a problem..  My job
> >>>>> required me to carry a pistol and it was concealed,  Truth is I hated
> >>>>> it.. and was written upon more than one occasion for not carrying my
> >>>>> weapon.the truth is if you kill some one you can never give it back..
> >>>>> if you cause injury it is permanent.  anyone wanting to carry a
> >>>>> concealed weapon is really not all there I am sorry.
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> >>>>> I still love target practice and go through about 500 pellets a
> >>>>> month,,  my pistol now is a little pump crosman .177 and it is a blast
> >>>>> I have more fun sitting in my back yard plinking away and my yard is
> >>>>> only 12 meters long..  my wife and I have a competition going..  we
> >>>>> don't miss and the groups are a tight as the pistol is capable of.
> >>>>> the truth is It is far more fun than I have ever had with any of the
> >>>>> guns I have owned ..  and the cheapest..  to allow nuts to carry
> >>>>> concealed weapons..   no wonder I like it over here..
> >>>>> Allan
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> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>> I suspect that this is one of those Michigan issues that James was
> >>>>>> referring to as there is legislation before the governor now that
> >>>>>> would extend the right to carry laws currently on the books to include
> >>>>>> those facilities now excluded like arenas, convention centers,
> >>>>>> hospitals, schools etc.......
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> >>>>>> I completely agree that the problem is not with the guns, and that
> >>>>>> agendas are being driven at every opportunity.  But I must say, as one
> >>>>>> working in a facility that may host 100,000/day, that anyone
> >>>>>> discharging a firearm at any time would create crowd control issues
> >>>>>> wherein a multitude of folks would die or suffer injury from causes
> >>>>>> other than gunshot.  The equation that more guns=less death is indeed
> >>>>>> questionable.  Whether or not we will ever be able to eliminate crazy
> >>>>>> is also.  Answers don't come easy, and we often spin our wheels
> >>>>>> looking for them rather than making any real progress,
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> >>>>>> On Dec 16, 7:43 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>> It's impossible to think about tragedies like Newtown without just
> >>>>>>> wishing they didn't happen and sorrow for the victims and bereaved.
> >>>>>>> In western Europe we tend to see such events as American and a result
> >>>>>>> of lunatic gun control.  A fair representation of this thinking can be
> >>>>>>> found in today's Observer - a liberal Sunday broadsheet.http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/newtown-shooting-...
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> >>>>>>> The gist is one in ten thousand will die through firearm use in the US
> >>>>>>> every year with more deaths than in Syria in its civil war.  Arguments
> >>>>>>> on this issue quickly degenerate with some saying the answer is to arm
> >>>>>>> more decent people (so they can shoot the creeps and limit damage) or
> >>>>>>> the right to bear arms to protect democracy from government.
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> >>>>>>> The real question is how we can stop scum, creeps, nutters and people
> >>>>>>> pushed over the edge from using violence against others.  We are all
> >>>>>>> frankly wide open to this and the problem of what happens to our
> >>>>>>> societies because of measures taken in prevention.  I wonder whether
> >>>>>>> answers to this may be well outside gun law and the NRA opposition to
> >>>>>>> it - this 'debate' has, after all, gone nowhere forever - much as we
> >>>>>>> have not prevented our governments pursuing imperialist wars or race
> >>>>>>> to the bottom global economics.
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> >>>>> |_D Allan
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> >>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >>>>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> >>>>>   Full of Hot Air&  Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text -
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